When to be a CWP "hero" and when to check your ego
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LOL,
current laws allow inexperienced people, with plenty of maturing to do, to do lots of things. Start with driving a car, drinking, joining the military, and so on. Who knows what people like that are capable of? Well, with about 42 states having shall issue CCW, things seem to be working out reasonably well. Having been reading a whole lot about those you're concerned about where ccw is concerned. A lot more inre: to automobiles.
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I pray that none here will ever have to throw down on another human being, let alone have to actually shoot. Just a deranged individual and mistaken identity but he as convinced that I was the person he had the grudge with and was going to make me pay. Only the fact that I had a 9MM with me that day kept me amd possibly my wife from being seriously injured. I guess it's been about 10 years now but I stopped at this stop and rob to get gas. My wife was in the car and I went in to pay for the gas. On the way in this guy came up and called me by a name, not mine and wanted to fight. I said, "You've got the wrong guy." and kind of laughed it off. When I caame back out to pump my gas he's really going off at me. I take my wallet out, show him my driver's license and say, "You got the wrong guy. I'm not him." He's off to one side mumbling to himself and I finish pumping my gas and go back to the store to get my change. I get back to my car and he comes storming up yelling incoherently that he's gonna kill me and other threats. My wife is freaking out for me to drive away but a car in front of me and another behind me, there's no way I can drive off. He starts pounding on the window and finally I decide that it's time to introduce him to Messers Smith & Wesson.
I'm teling him quite forcefully that, You have the wrong guy so go way. If you try to get into my car I will shoot you." He pays no attention. I tell him several more times and finally it soaks in that not only am I armed, I just might shoot him. He then slowly bcked off, the car in front which could have moved but I guess they wanted to watch the show. No reaction set in until I got home. I started to shake real bad and ended up puking my guts out.
Two things did come out of all this. One, I realize that if I have to, I will be able to shoot should it be necessary. The second thing was my wife said she'd never complain again about me having a gun in the car. I can only hope and pray that I never am in a situation like that again.
Paul B.
I'm teling him quite forcefully that, You have the wrong guy so go way. If you try to get into my car I will shoot you." He pays no attention. I tell him several more times and finally it soaks in that not only am I armed, I just might shoot him. He then slowly bcked off, the car in front which could have moved but I guess they wanted to watch the show. No reaction set in until I got home. I started to shake real bad and ended up puking my guts out.
Two things did come out of all this. One, I realize that if I have to, I will be able to shoot should it be necessary. The second thing was my wife said she'd never complain again about me having a gun in the car. I can only hope and pray that I never am in a situation like that again.
Paul B.
Sitting here now and looking back on myself then, I'm glad I got my carry permit now instead of then.
A few months back while waiting for my paperwork to clear, I was presented with this situation:
While driving back to my girlfriend's (now soon to be wife) apartment after dinner, a gentleman took offense to my left turn on a green arrow. He thought I cut him off and gave him the finger. Not the case, I avoided hitting him and in the course of talking to Sweet Thing threw my non driving hand up in frustration as I commented on how people don't look before they pull out in traffic. He went around the building and pulled in to the parking lot via the other entrance rather hastily and stood there waiting for me. I didn't see him until he came out between two other cars and confronted me as I opened my door after turning the Jeep off.
I tried to explain and apologize that no, I did not flip him off. He got more agitated. After that it was a simple, "Sir, I'm sorry. I feel no need to continue to continue this conversation." Shut the door, fired the Cherokee back up and went for a drive around town taking several turns in case he followed me.
If I had my permit and was carrying, my reaction would have been the same unless he posed an actual threat.
Me 5 years ago, thinking I was John Wayne Jr. would have probably been some where along the lines of "What the (insert swear word du jour here) did you just say, pilgrim?" and attempted to administer an old school butt whooping.
I'm no hero, nor do I play one on TV. The only time I want my gun to come out of its holster is when I get home at the end of the day so I can put it away.
One does not try to be a hero. Those who try to be one typically end up on the wrong end of the situation. Think George Preppard's character in The Blue Max. He wanted Germany's highest honor for gallantry just to have it, look where that got him. Not a perfect example, but it will suffice. Trying to be a hero gets you shot, stabbed, or facing charges. Possibly some combination of the above.
A few months back while waiting for my paperwork to clear, I was presented with this situation:
While driving back to my girlfriend's (now soon to be wife) apartment after dinner, a gentleman took offense to my left turn on a green arrow. He thought I cut him off and gave him the finger. Not the case, I avoided hitting him and in the course of talking to Sweet Thing threw my non driving hand up in frustration as I commented on how people don't look before they pull out in traffic. He went around the building and pulled in to the parking lot via the other entrance rather hastily and stood there waiting for me. I didn't see him until he came out between two other cars and confronted me as I opened my door after turning the Jeep off.
I tried to explain and apologize that no, I did not flip him off. He got more agitated. After that it was a simple, "Sir, I'm sorry. I feel no need to continue to continue this conversation." Shut the door, fired the Cherokee back up and went for a drive around town taking several turns in case he followed me.
If I had my permit and was carrying, my reaction would have been the same unless he posed an actual threat.
Me 5 years ago, thinking I was John Wayne Jr. would have probably been some where along the lines of "What the (insert swear word du jour here) did you just say, pilgrim?" and attempted to administer an old school butt whooping.
I'm no hero, nor do I play one on TV. The only time I want my gun to come out of its holster is when I get home at the end of the day so I can put it away.
One does not try to be a hero. Those who try to be one typically end up on the wrong end of the situation. Think George Preppard's character in The Blue Max. He wanted Germany's highest honor for gallantry just to have it, look where that got him. Not a perfect example, but it will suffice. Trying to be a hero gets you shot, stabbed, or facing charges. Possibly some combination of the above.
When I started carrying a gun, I relinquished certain luxuries, among which was the idea of getting in fistfights, or fights of any sort.
I've dealt with bullet wounds first hand. They are not like you think. No way do I want to inflict that kind of harm on another human being unless I'm left with no other choice. As such, it's incumbent on me to avoid situations in which I might have to make that call.
Redhawk5.5+P+
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Fears are good, to a point.
Hey, they have guns, why can't I shoot first here in NV? More than likely, my cleanest shot will be right away!
Best case scenario, I guess.
What really brought this to mind lately is a casino chain called Dotty's is a 7-11 (24 hr-7d) type of casino that just so happens to have the best cigarette prices in town, which brings in a lot of shady characters, sad but true.
Well, one of there open casino's got hit late/early about 3 am here in Vegas. They took the employees, and patrons and grouped them up (for execution?) like cattle, and milked all the cash that's built up during a period of time from the machines.
FYI, they "ask" for you not to bring gun's in.
One of my bigger fears is being in a small store, small restaurant, or a small local casino being armed robbers comes in. The later two, I'm more than likely to be sitting. I try to sit as far away and out of site with my back to the wall. I feel to get them ASAP, before they get me or us. Also before they start getting everybody up in my way for a clean shot.
Hey, they have guns, why can't I shoot first here in NV? More than likely, my cleanest shot will be right away!
Best case scenario, I guess.
What really brought this to mind lately is a casino chain called Dotty's is a 7-11 (24 hr-7d) type of casino that just so happens to have the best cigarette prices in town, which brings in a lot of shady characters, sad but true.
Well, one of there open casino's got hit late/early about 3 am here in Vegas. They took the employees, and patrons and grouped them up (for execution?) like cattle, and milked all the cash that's built up during a period of time from the machines.
FYI, they "ask" for you not to bring gun's in.
One of my bigger fears is being in a small store, small restaurant, or a small local casino being armed robbers comes in. The later two, I'm more than likely to be sitting. I try to sit as far away and out of site with my back to the wall. I feel to get them ASAP, before they get me or us. Also before they start getting everybody up in my way for a clean shot.
Ridgerunner665
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Regarding fist fights...something I used to enjoy to a degree, when I was younger...
"Friendly" fights...some say they don't exist, but if that were true I wouldn't have lived past 18 or 20 (I'm almost 40). I won a few and lost a few back in the day...heck, the last one was just 5 years ago (I believe I lost...but he knew he'd been in a fight when it was over)...the fight started over a guy parked in the fuel island at a truckstop...he was in there for 45 minutes, busy truck stop, no room to back up and go to another island.
I was in a hurry and in a bad mood anyway...and when that guy walked out with his shower bag and wet hair...I lost my lil ole' temper. It was a pretty good brawl in the truckstop parking lot...lasted about 10 minutes...we were both pretty bloody, but nothing serious...we fought, got tired (sux getting old and out of shape), argued for a few minutes after the fight...then went our separate ways (I bet he thinks twice before parking in the fuel island again...whether he won or not)
I was armed (I always am)...but knowing it MIGHT end in a fight I removed my pistol before I jumped out of the truck and proceeded to cuss him like a dawg...he swung and missed and it was on!
I've been legally armed since I was 21...and have been in a scrap or 2 in that time (so sue me...I'm a redneck, can't help it, family tradition and all that)...I have never considered shooting somebody just because he was winning.
Granted that today friendly fights where a person only wants to prove his point probably aren't as common as they once were...but you shouldn't shoot a man just because he hit you with his fist...unless of course you have other problems that make getting hit life threatening (over 60 years old or various other handicaps).
But when you hear about people shooting people in road rage incidents, when both parties were physically capable of fighting....and one pulls a gun on the other (regardless of winning or losing)...thats just a coward!
Plain and simple...put simply its no different than 2 bucks fighting over does or or various other animals fighting over territory...they almost never kill each other, and when they do its mostly accidental...they fight, one wins, one loses, they go on with their lives.
I guess the point I'm making is this, and it may be off topic...but humans don't really seem all that smart to me...we can come up with all sorts of neat gadgets...but a simple common sense decision is beyond the grasp of most.
To answer the OP...if my family or myself is in danger, I'll act with extreme prejudice and fight as hard as I can right up until the life has left my body...If somebody is robbing the store (or the bank), they'll get no reaction from me if they don't pose a threat to the people I love...several decisions would have to be made on the spot based on what I saw.
Am I gonna be a hero for the bank or store...NO...not unless that is just a consequence of me protecting my family.
"Friendly" fights...some say they don't exist, but if that were true I wouldn't have lived past 18 or 20 (I'm almost 40). I won a few and lost a few back in the day...heck, the last one was just 5 years ago (I believe I lost...but he knew he'd been in a fight when it was over)...the fight started over a guy parked in the fuel island at a truckstop...he was in there for 45 minutes, busy truck stop, no room to back up and go to another island.
I was in a hurry and in a bad mood anyway...and when that guy walked out with his shower bag and wet hair...I lost my lil ole' temper. It was a pretty good brawl in the truckstop parking lot...lasted about 10 minutes...we were both pretty bloody, but nothing serious...we fought, got tired (sux getting old and out of shape), argued for a few minutes after the fight...then went our separate ways (I bet he thinks twice before parking in the fuel island again...whether he won or not)
I was armed (I always am)...but knowing it MIGHT end in a fight I removed my pistol before I jumped out of the truck and proceeded to cuss him like a dawg...he swung and missed and it was on!
I've been legally armed since I was 21...and have been in a scrap or 2 in that time (so sue me...I'm a redneck, can't help it, family tradition and all that)...I have never considered shooting somebody just because he was winning.
Granted that today friendly fights where a person only wants to prove his point probably aren't as common as they once were...but you shouldn't shoot a man just because he hit you with his fist...unless of course you have other problems that make getting hit life threatening (over 60 years old or various other handicaps).
But when you hear about people shooting people in road rage incidents, when both parties were physically capable of fighting....and one pulls a gun on the other (regardless of winning or losing)...thats just a coward!
Plain and simple...put simply its no different than 2 bucks fighting over does or or various other animals fighting over territory...they almost never kill each other, and when they do its mostly accidental...they fight, one wins, one loses, they go on with their lives.
I guess the point I'm making is this, and it may be off topic...but humans don't really seem all that smart to me...we can come up with all sorts of neat gadgets...but a simple common sense decision is beyond the grasp of most.
To answer the OP...if my family or myself is in danger, I'll act with extreme prejudice and fight as hard as I can right up until the life has left my body...If somebody is robbing the store (or the bank), they'll get no reaction from me if they don't pose a threat to the people I love...several decisions would have to be made on the spot based on what I saw.
Am I gonna be a hero for the bank or store...NO...not unless that is just a consequence of me protecting my family.