When the buying hysteria is over,lets remember the gougers.

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Bulkammo recently had 1000 rounds of Blazer Brass 9mm for EIGHT HUNDRED dollars, and they sold it all.

Numerous mail order companies are selling .22LR for nearly .50cents per round, thats freaking rediculous.

Yes, i understand supply and demand, but thats just out and out gouging. The price they are paying for it i am sure has gone up,but nowhere close to the levels of what they are charging for it.

I recently bought a 1000 rnd box of Remington UMC 9mm at academy for $229 and saturday got 1000 rounds of Winchester M*22 22LR for $50 also at academy.

When this eventually does settle down, i hope people will remember who gouged and who didnt. I know i will.

P.T. Barnum nailed it when he said "theres a sucker born every minute".
 
Oh trust me, there's at least one LGS I will not be patronizing anymore, and several online retailers that won't get another cent of my business. I know the situation is tough on everyone, but there are several LGS in my area who haven't significantly increased price (we're talking a $1 or 2 per box, max) who are actually in the business of helping people in this situation, and not profiteering. They will continue to get my business.
 
I suppose you will sell your ammo at pre panic prices?

9mmsnoopy Yes, i understand supply and demand, but thats just out and out gouging.
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No it isn't.
"Gouging" is illegal in many states and they have a legal definition......and ammunition prices aren't included.

If you want prices to stay the same, move to Cuba.


WalMart- normal price, nothing in stock
Cheaper Than Dirt, higher than normal price, LOTS of stock.

If you REALLY NEED ammunition who is doing the gun owner a better service?
If you have no ammo, the price at CTD is great.
If you don't need ammo the price at WM is great.
 
Dogtown, if you want to get technical and go by the legal defenition, then ok, but i think you know what i mean.

And the ammo IS available at Academy and to a lesser extent WalMart, but you have to be willing to put in a little effort to get it. A couple hours in line to pay $229 for 1000 rnd of 9mm versus $800 online is very worth it to me.

The prices WOULD come down if people would not pay the outlandish prices. But hey, if you got lotsa money then go for it. Its not my place to tell others how to spend their money.
 
P.T. Barnum nailed it when he said "theres a sucker born every minute".
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Wasn't P.T. Barnum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute

The only reason there is a shortage and 22s selling for $100 for 500 rounds is because people who should have known better got caught with their pants down. The writing was on the wall and anyone who owned guns in 2008 should have seen this coming with the re-election of obama. Even without sandyhook it was pretty well beleived obama would make a grab for guns in his second term.

This current shortage has had no affect on me nor did the 2008 shortage. I learned my leason in 1994. I have been stocking up for many years with lead, brass, dies, molds and powder. Plus I have thousands of loaded rounds especially 22 rounds. Maybe after this folks will do it right and have a stash on hand for the next time. And there will be a next time.
 
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As a Business man who makes his living off of commission AKA "Profit" I say they are welcome to charge what the market will bear.

That being said, there is a difference between $50.00 PMAGS and $180.00 "Cheaper Than Dirt" USGI Mags. I don't need to get kissed to know I am getting "screwed" and I won't forget it either.


There are a couple of places I will no longer visit or buy from after all of this, one of the local gun shops by me decided to no longer let people in unless they have a FOID card...so much for looking at guns with my Brother in law from out of state. CTD is the other, more so because of their decision to stop selling firearms after Sandy Hook, the price gouging is just icing on the cake.

The bottom line though is this: No one is going to "Make" you buy a product, unless we are talking about Government healthcare that is. All joking aside no one is making you or I buy those $180.00 USGI magazines or that $1/round 22LR ammo. When enough people decide the cost of something is too high, that is when the market corrects itself and suddenly that $1/round 22LR ammo is down to 30C a round and those USGI magazines are back around $25 or $30.


"Gouging" is illegal in many states and they have a legal definition
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That is where the slippery slope comes in if you ask me.
I lived in Florida for 7 years so I know about gouging but where does it start and stop. If the entire state of Florida, all the gas stations, all the wholesalers are out of gas after a Hurricane and I decide to drive up to South Carolina, fill up a tanker @ retail prices of $3.00 then have to go through the expense of transporting that gas back down to Florida am I gouging if I ask $5.00/gal when my cost is over $4.00/gal ? Or would I be expected to sell the gas at a loss to avoid "gouging?". All things are relative.
 
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Not all gun or ammo sellers are in it for the long haul. They will make their money, while they can, and get out....

The problem is that hoarders never know when to "get out". Just ask the Hunt Brothers.
 
I personally have no problem with the cost of ammo being as high as it is. the high cost is supposed to deter people from buying up all the ammo, but it clearly hasn't. as long as their is continued demand for ammo then the cost will remain high. this is a free market economy - if you don't like how expensive ammo is don't buy it
 
Yet another thread about so called GOUGING

Watch this:

is price gouging illegal?

There is NO SUCH THING as gouging, especially for things like ammo.

You have NO idea what the sellers' costs are for replacement ammo. By raising prices, he sells to those who really want it - perhaps he should have sold it to someone who will flip it at higher prices?

Really - watch the video and learn something
 
The thing that sucks, is that for the newbies to the hobby (Like me) who didn't grow up with firearms but always had an interest (My mother was rabidly against me and brother from owning guns as a kid, not so much now, I have my step father to thank for that) are left up a creek without a paddle.

If I had the option back in 2008, I'd certainly would have spent as much as feasibly possible on ammunition and so on. I was just about ready to start when all the crap hit the fan.

But back on topic, yes, I will remember the ones that charge outlandish prices, free marketering is fine, but as much as the sellers have the right to charge whatever price they wish, I have the right to take my money elsewhere if I do not agree with their prices.

I want ammunition for my firearms, but I've not become desperate enough to go and reach that deep into the barrel wher these retailers like to dwell.
 
I sometimes wondered why our economy and fiscal policy is in such dismal shape. This event has explained a lot about the general public's understanding of basic economics. :confused:

I'll just leave this here as I've grown quite tired of discussing it.

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They have a right to set their prices where they want and we have a right to boycott it. If we choose not to support them, that's our right, but remember that choosing not to buy from them at inflated prices may mean no ammo at all for you during the next panic. If enough people choose not to buy, the prices will come down. But if you hold out for your morals and the rest of the market doesn't, everybody else will be buying ammo at prices they're happy with.
 
That is where the slippery slope comes in if you ask me.
I lived in Florida for 7 years so I know about gouging but where does it start and stop. If the entire state of Florida, all the gas stations, all the wholesalers are out of gas after a Hurricane and I decide to drive up to South Carolina, fill up a tanker @ retail prices of $3.00 then have to go through the expense of transporting that gas back down to Florida am I gouging if I ask $5.00/gal when my cost is over $4.00/gal ? Or would I be expected to sell the gas at a loss to avoid "gouging?". All things are relative.
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You make the same point as that video I referenced:

is price gouging illegal?
 
"I'll just leave this here as I've grown quite tired of discussing it."

Thats fine, but the word "gougers" is in the thread title, so you did choose to discuss it. :confused:
 
Refusing to buy from prices gougers after this shortage is over is counter intuitive.

A better method would be to simply not buy any ammo from companies that are gouging. If the buying public refused to pay those prices, the gouging would have never taken hold to begin with.

I'm not defending price gouging, but they have a right to charge what they like, we have a right to refuse to pay those prices. It's supply and demand. If demand goes down, so will prices.
 
Yes, i understand supply and demand, but thats just out and out gouging. The price they are paying for it i am sure has gone up,but nowhere close to the levels of what they are charging for it.
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The second statement contradicts the first. The seller's cost has very little to do with the price the buyer is willing to pay.

After all the panic buying is over, will you buy someone's $1500 Bushmaster because that's what he paid for it?
 
Yes, we should punish the gougers because we didn't take the time to read the signals, comprehend what was going on, and realize that Obama getting re-elected might cause all sorts of irrational...again. :rolleyes:

Like with boycotts, "remembering the gougers" will last about as long as goldfish memory and at the first time there is a sale or a matter of convenience, we will be buying from the gougers anew. Crossing the gouge lines will be rationalized away, just like the crossing of boycott lines get rationalized away.

As dogtown Tom noted, if nobody "gouged" then nobody would have any sort of stock. There is reason to be thankful for those folks. Higher prices is about all that is stopping total hoardage.
 
LOL "Not gouging".. sound like the same ones that want to argue with the anti gun folk that they aren't "assault weapons"..

Yes we all know by definition, AND WE ALSO ALL KNOW the point that is trying to be made but hey argue those symantics all day as it doesn't change the POINT.

Half the government's, anti gun lobby, pro gun lobby's problem is they want to sit around and argue petty symantics crap ALL DAY LONG instead of taking care of problems.

I understand the point, and I will remember.

In the future ALL of my ammo purchases will be from Walmart, Basspro, and Sportsman's locally, the big box stores that didn't BS jack prices.

Accessories will be via Brownell's.

Every gun will be via local friends with FFL's we have a ton of them around here.

And I will continue to go to every gun show and I will REMIND every LGS exhibitor there that i'm handling their products to see what I like and then I'm having my friends order what i decide on, while i laugh at them and point out in front of all of their customers which big box stores currently have their products in at big box slashed prices ....(specially since i've taken notes on all of them the past 4 shows)

I used to have to listen to them WHINE about being undercut by the big box stores, now i will point it out in the future to their customers..

Guess we all have the rights to do as we please huh..
 
You do that, and when they have no inventory and you need some - and that LGS has what you want but at higher prices - you still going to do without?

This gouging BS has been debunked over and over and over again - you want to see where you're getting screwed? Look at your health insurance increases to pay for a program that hasn't even been in force yet

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOUGING - only folks too cheap to pay the going rate caused by supply and demand
 
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