When does a shotgun become a rifle (not a shotgun)?

The fear mongers at VPC want you to think the BMG will be used for everything from long range assassinations to shooting down helicopters and airplanes or blowing up chemical plants.

They refernce such things as insurgents dowing helicopters in combat areas as if that's applicable here in the us... The insurgents have how many weapons and how many rounds of ammo are fired? And every so offten they get lucky and score a hit that brings a chopper down... so what if everyone in a given state who owns a 50 got together they might have a chance at this???

Give me a brake

Do a web search and you will find their BS out there.

Nevermind that there are many other cheaper and more effective ways to carry out any of these actions and far more dramatic ways to attack just about anything using improvised materials esp. if you don't care about your life as we know terrorist types do not.

Frankly I say the politicos who believe this BS ought to go out to a 1km range with a 50 and see if they can hit a sheet of plywood at that range. It might put it all in perspective for them for this much discussed thought that a 50 BMG puts aircraft at risk
 
Much ado about nothing, You want to put a 16 inch barrel on your shotgun, do so. You are not listening to the advise given so do what ever you want. In accordance to the ATF a shotgun is a shotgun. These pistols that shoot .410s have rifling, hence it's a pistol that will shoot a shotgun shell. Even Thomson Center had to rifle the barrel on their 45/410 to make it legal. There's a certain police chief who just barely stayed out of jail ( he lost his job )because he had one of the old smooth bore 410 Thomson Centers in the trunk of his car and one of his men turned him in. He was charged with having a short barrel shotgun, no matter that he brought it new that way. A shotgun with a rifled barrel is still a shot gun. A shotgun slug is still a shotgun shell. But you go ahead and cut your rifled shotgun down to 16 inches. But you will have no legal defence when they come to get you. You can argue logic all you want, you will be in violation of federal law. That's it in a nut shell. I can't change the law, you can't change the law but you go ahead and do what ever you deem fit.
 
Much ado about nothing, You want to put a 16 inch barrel on your shotgun, do so. You are not listening to the advise given so do what ever you want.
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YOU are not reading the entire thread. It's not nothing. It's called the LAW. And as a lawyer, I'm interested in the law. As a gun owner, I'm doubly interested in gun laws. Of course a .410 handgun must have a rifled barrel or its a shotgun, because that's what the law states. Duh. Tell us something we don't already know. A smoothbore pistol has zero to do with a RIFLE with a rifled barrel & a buttstock. As I stated above, the BATFE regulations clearly state (or perhaps not-so-clearly), when read carefully, that if the gun was not designed nor re-designed to shoot through a smooth bore, AND it is NOT readily adaptable back to a smoothbore, then it is not by definition a shotgun. But the only way to get there is to permanently weld the barrel onto the receiver, which I ain't gonna do. And you must START with a gun that was never DESIGNED to fire through a smoothbore; i.e. a slug gun. Read above - it's all explained in my post above, where I broke it down there for you.

a shotgun is a shotgun.
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:rolleyes: As stated above several times, and as is patently obvious from simple logic, that statement is utterly meaningless. Of course a shotgun is a shotgun, and a duck is a duck. What's that got to do with a RIFLE, which is NOT a shotgun? And what does that have to do with the definition of exactly what is a shotgun?

Caliber. If it is over .50, it is a shotgun
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No, I don't think so...what is your source for that? That's not what the BATFE regulation says. A .577 T-Rex and a .600 nitro rifle are shotguns?
 
Rereading my reply I now realize that I came across as a little obnoxious, Sorry about that, It seems so simple to me but then again I'm just an old country boy. Vaya con Dios.
 
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