What's your opinion????

Status
Not open for further replies.
C

Christina Whittington

New member
Does anyone else wonder about all the shootings lately?
I mean, don't you wonder if some of these, if not all of them, are staged by the government to paint a bad picture about guns and people that own them?
Something to think about!!!!
Let me know what all of you think.
CW
 
I doubt it.

It is my understanding from various posts in these forums that the actual rate of shootings is going down.

I think because of the gun control issues that they make good press and get excessive (and biased) coverage. And I'm sure that doesn't hurt Slick Willy's feelings.

------------------
Jim Fox
 
Being the paranoid gun nut I am I can say that the thought has crossed my mind, lets talk hypothetically. The media is obviously slanted and there have been confirmed "contributions" from the white house to incorporate anti-drug messages into regular TV shows ( surprising it's only anti-drug isn't it, after it's for the children ).

Now we know that in a Pavlovian way they used to flash subliminal messages onto movie screens so that you'd go get a coke ect until it was outlawed. It is reasonable to think that it is possible that this is happening on television today in some form or another. After all with the amount of propaganda we see, what's to say there isn't some we don't see , just to advance the cause so to speak, after all our goverment as as much morality as Hitler ? Could this effect mentally unstable persons or children ? I don't know but I gaurentee that there has been extensive testing done on the subject. If anything it would encourage the type of activity they targeted, especially among the mentally unstable or young. I don't know if this is excalibrating the situation or not, it is simply a hypothetical possibility. There is no doubt however that the "new socialist" are a product of propagandist indoctrination, and when we look at the force of their beliefs we see exactly how powerfull propaganda can be.

Then there is the issue of outright set-up, It seems that these crimes are extremely convenient but since children are involved in a lot of cases outright set -up wouldn't cover them all. And finally there is the issue of severe lack of morality, over population, massive lack of understanding and truth that could indeed increase these types of activities simply by increasing the amount of mentally unstable people in the general population. My personal belief is it is a combination of all of the above to one degree or another.

But as Jim Fox has stated these situations are actually declining in number , our media just portrays it as increasing. However we have more policing and can catch these people a whole lot easier then we used to be able to so I think that keeps a lot of them at bay.


That's my 2 1/2 cents

[This message has been edited by scud (edited June 01, 2000).]
 
I think what Christina is referring to aren't all shootings "read: homicides"

but rather people going into a public place, and unloading on the general population.

i don't think the likelihood of their being caught in any way decreases these events. If anything, they cause them to increase.

Since a lot of these end in suicides or police-assisted-suicides, I would like to see if suicides are on the increase or decrease.

My theory is that more people who are intent on taking their own lives are deciding to take people with them. Usually they are people who hurt them, or represent people who hurt them.
 
The constant retelling of the first mass shootings only guaranteed there would be more. The sick mind thinks that they can go out in 'a blaze of glory'. We've heard the phrase "in the wake of the Columbine shooting" everyday for over a year now, Harris and Kelbold are household words. What other way for a cowardly criminal to make a 'name' for himself? He has the perfect PR agent who will guarantee his name will live on forever, the media.

However, I do question the timing and places of these incidents. They are wanting stricter laws in Utah, a man goes into a Mormon library and shoots up the place. They are about to loosen gun control laws in Colorado, Columbine happens. Bush decides to run for president, a man shoots up a church in Ft. Worth. There have been many other 'timely' shootings in sensitive places. Coincidence? I think in 20 or 30 years we are going to start hearing some death-bed confessions that even the wildest of imaginations didn't think of.

------------------
Refuse to be a "helpless" victim.
Knowing Your Rights WAGC in Indiana
Come have some fun at theTFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
I have to admit that I'm a bit suspicious about some of these shootings myself. Especially if the perpetrator dies during the course of the event.
The problem is that no matter how unplausible a particular scenario may seem, with the current administration anything is possible!
 
Tom, one thing is a fact: Prof Lott proved that the incidence/number of MPSs (mass public shootings) DRAMATICALLY decreases when a state adopts a "shall-issue", so it's apparent that these maniacs don't want to be SHOT. Lott has a chart in "More Guns, Less Crime" that shows the incredible drop - in fact, at the time of publication of that book, there were exactly ZERO MPSs in ANY state that had adopted a shall-issue CCW law!
 
No. Don't get wrapped up in the "governmental conspiracy" mindset. You'll waste too much brain power better used elsewhere in supporting the Second Amendment.
 
Tom: If the probability of being caught only increases the likelihood of mass shootings, why don't they target police stations? You know, like in Terminator?

------------------
Sic semper tyrannis!
 
While I won't argue with Lott that CCW does provide deterrent against an MPS, I think there are 2 different versions of the the MPS.

One group is the "only my weapon understands me" group who decides to take out people they dislike. This is the more prevalent one IMHO.. Such as the LA Daycare, the PA Burger King from recent months.

The others are those who are going to kill themselves anyway, but want to go down in a blaze of glory so to speak. These are the people who either kill themselves or hope to be assisted by snipers. Columbine and the day trader from Atlanta are good examples.

Of course, how many of group number 2 are foiled and taken in alive? They could be mistaken as group 1 folks.

Brett, I took "being caught" more in the spirit of getting news attention. However, I believe there is some research into people who do attack officers in the hope that they will be shot. This is what the term "cop assisted suicide" refers to
 
If you look at the shootings and the folks involved, they are perfectly understandable in the range of such criminal and abnormal behavior.

Saying it is a conspiracy makes us look silly.

Second as a techy point - the subliminal suggestion post is urban mythology.

It never worked. It has been reviewed endlessly in the professional literature.
Don't worry about it.
 
I've thought of the conspiracy angle before, but I don't buy into it. The media, though, is certainly complicit in these shootings and they have to know it. They have to know that their non-stop coverage of these bizarre shootings is spawning copycat crimes. The story in today's paper is that the 13 year old who killed his teacher had told other students he was going to do it. "Just watch," he said, "I'll be all over the news!"

Dick
 
No, although Tom makes a good point.

I think this is mainly a function of the 'government-media complex' - a mainstream media that is beating the gun control drum like crazy. They bury self defense uses of firearms, and trumpet criminal uses of guns.

Works like a charm, and Americans think we're suffering an 'epidemic of violence', while the FBI tells us that violent crime is at a 30 year low.

Regards from AZ
 
A point or points:

If the goverment is trying to remove the RKBA and the media is involved in this action then that in itself is indeed a conspiracy, there is nothing silly about it. If there is no conspiracy then why is the media so slanted against the RKBA ? Also the fact that the UN has called for global disarmermant. Link: http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/DDAHome.htm

Goverments have always used propaganda and will continue to do so. As silly as it may seem it is more silly to discount the possibliity of a conspiracy when overwhelming evidence supports that it is just that. Canada & Austrailia are the freshest victims in the global disarmerment conspiracy.

Why is the government incapable of conspiracy ? You would think it was a bad word, it is not as if this has not happened before.

I also disagree with the effectiveness of propaganda. The Pavlovian dog test is no different then flashing a picture of a coke on the screen & it is indeed effective because it reminds you of a pleasent or refreshing drink without you being aware. It is not a urban legend it was actually done.

Of course what I was stating I stated as hypothetical, the fact remains that it is possible. Whether or not it goes on I don't know but repeated exposure to suggestive material to an individual who is susceptible more then likely will have a effect. Just look at all of the new socialist we have born to give their rights to the goverment. This is not an act of sane people, it is an act of people indoctrinated into a belief system manufactured for a specific reason.

With the power of technology now at our hands it is inconceivable that a goverment would not use it to their advantage. The media today and the technology behind it is the single biggest tool to control the masses available bar none. Our goverment doesn't have the best track record for not expirimenting on it's subjects either. How about the LSD mind control expiriments ? If I had said that the govt was giving people LSD and trying to control their minds back then you'd have thought me silly too. But it happened.

Anyway my disclaimer said I was a paranoid gun nut hypothesizing ;)

[This message has been edited by scud (edited June 01, 2000).]
 
Christina,

This is a very interesting question, especially in light of the fact that it has probably crossed everyone's mind here!....

Seriously, though, without getting into the conspiracy mode, I think the administration is indirectly responsible for the sheer number of MPSs that have recently taken place.

How? By fueling media hype through their anti-gun propaganda. They have pretty much guaranteed National notoriety to every wacko who wants to kill himself and take a few others with him provided he uses a firearm.

------------------
Private gun ownership is the capital sin in the left's godless religion. Crime is merely a venial mistake.

Check out these gals: www.sas-aim.org
 
One of the oldest conspiracies the U.S. government and the media set into play happened during the late 1800's. The government wanted to get rid of the Indians and the media enthusiastically helped by printing numerous bogus stories about Indian raids and massacres that never happened. These reports caused outrage and fear, which caused the army and settlers to attack on sight. This in turn caused the Indians to seek revenge for what they considered unwarrented attacks. The next thing you know you have a media created Indian War which gave the government the excuse they needed to impliment their own 'final solution'. The media and government are excellent conspiracy partners.

------------------
Refuse to be a "helpless" victim.
Knowing Your Rights WAGC in Indiana
Come have some fun at theTFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top