Remington been making 1/10 twist 308 for years from Rem 600,740,etc. I think APO is using that rifle and upgrading it # 3 on list
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What's up with Remington and 1/10 twist?
- Thread starter Jerry45
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I know Remington made 308 caliber barrels (30-06) in 1/10 but have never seen a factory Remmi. .308 Win. 1/10 until the AAC-SD came out. Not saying they don't exist just haven't seen any info on Remington's site about one. The only Remmy in .308 Win. I found with 1/10 was the AAC-SD. Even the Tactical SPS has 1/12 so I didn't think Remmi. made any. Looks like I was wrong.
As for the barrel being warped; it's straight on the outside. Doesn't mean the rifling is. But it's all water under the bridge. The Bartlein 1/11 1/4 shoots very well with 165 gr. SGK and 168 and 175 gr. SMK. Range master told me last week that I was going to shoot the barrel out. I replied "isn't that what they are for"?
I love shooting it. Actually I'm still under 200 rounds down the tube.
What's not to like about a rifle that shoots like this.
This was working up loads. And as usual I pulled a few.
As for the barrel being warped; it's straight on the outside. Doesn't mean the rifling is. But it's all water under the bridge. The Bartlein 1/11 1/4 shoots very well with 165 gr. SGK and 168 and 175 gr. SMK. Range master told me last week that I was going to shoot the barrel out. I replied "isn't that what they are for"?
I love shooting it. Actually I'm still under 200 rounds down the tube. What's not to like about a rifle that shoots like this.
This was working up loads. And as usual I pulled a few.
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Nice Groups jerry, bartlein makes one hell of a barrel. 1 in 11.25 is my favorite twist rate for the .308. My 5R was able to shoot 155gr scenars, 168gr SMKs, 175gr BT LRs, and 178gr BTHPs all 1/2 MOA.
Though this does worry me about the 700 AAC this is the second or third mention of accuracy or QC issues with this rifle i've seen and i've just been back on the forums after being absent a year. Friend of mine picked one up today and very much had me wanting one given the price. Don't know if i want to chance it, might have to just get another 5R but the 20" threaded version.
Though this does worry me about the 700 AAC this is the second or third mention of accuracy or QC issues with this rifle i've seen and i've just been back on the forums after being absent a year. Friend of mine picked one up today and very much had me wanting one given the price. Don't know if i want to chance it, might have to just get another 5R but the 20" threaded version.
Blackops, I saw the pic. you posted of the groop with your 5R. If my AAC-SD had grouped like that it would still be wearing the original barrel. Perhaps I should have gotten an R5 but the Bartlein sure shoots well. I have a 24" Kreiger heavy varmint 1 in 11.25 on another 308 in a fully ajustable Bell & Carlson. Can. You say HEAVY. It shoots fantastically with 168 SMKs. It shoots them so well that's all I shoot in it. Tried the Bergers 168 . The SMKs are less expensive and shoot just as well. It shoots so well that it has become boring at 100 yards. Hopefully some day I'll find a place where I can let it streatch it's legs.
I bought the AAC 20" to hunt with. I was very disipointed with how it shot. When I put the Bartlein on I hated to cut it off so it's 27 + the brake but I'm no longer in doubt that the bullet will go where the center of the crosshairs are. It really likes the 165 SGK.
I bought the AAC 20" to hunt with. I was very disipointed with how it shot. When I put the Bartlein on I hated to cut it off so it's 27 + the brake but I'm no longer in doubt that the bullet will go where the center of the crosshairs are. It really likes the 165 SGK.
I don't think you should've gotten the 5R, i'd take a bartlein barreled remington action over any rifle remington could mass produce. 
Bartlein makes some great barrels i've been meaning to rid of my 5R barrel for some time now and put a Bartlein on it.
Come to think of it i could just get a bartlein for my current setup, take my 5R barrel and cut it to 16.5-18.5 and get an action. We shall see i guess, already know my 5R shoots. Taking that barrel and having it cut and threaded might not be a bad idea at all.
Then again while the idea is sound it's going to be much than just picking up an AAC lol. Granted it would all be done right from start to finish but i'd basically be starting a new build rather than piecing it together.
Bartlein makes some great barrels i've been meaning to rid of my 5R barrel for some time now and put a Bartlein on it.Come to think of it i could just get a bartlein for my current setup, take my 5R barrel and cut it to 16.5-18.5 and get an action. We shall see i guess, already know my 5R shoots. Taking that barrel and having it cut and threaded might not be a bad idea at all.
Then again while the idea is sound it's going to be much than just picking up an AAC lol. Granted it would all be done right from start to finish but i'd basically be starting a new build rather than piecing it together.
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The way your R5 shoots I wouldn't mess with it. I'd get another action, stock and etc. for the Bartlein barrel. I wish I had just bought a beater rifle from the pawn shop and put the Bartlein on it from the get-go. Heck the only thing left from the original AAC is the bolt and receiver.
Yeah i just saw Manners has a mini chassis that i could use instead of bedding the stock then getting DBM. I wish i would've known that when i built my rifle. Not that there is anything wrong with the route i went (Glass/pillar bed then DBM later). Been piecing it together though.
Remington 700 AAC (hopefully it shoots lol) 600$
MCS TA 595$
MCS Mini chassis DBM 360$
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10X32mm FFP - supposedly under 700$ though I've only seen it for 800$
No gun smithing requried.
A good friend of mine always does that, goes to the pawn shop and grabs a BDL or ADL for the action then touches up the stock and adds a shilen match select.
Thinking selling my 14.5" AR to fund this, i just don't use it and figured i'd could get a good chunk of money for considering whats in it. If i was shooting 3-gun or carbine classes it would be different. Since i got my MK12 Mod 1 going my BCM 14.5 basically sits in my room.
Remington 700 AAC (hopefully it shoots lol) 600$
MCS TA 595$
MCS Mini chassis DBM 360$
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10X32mm FFP - supposedly under 700$ though I've only seen it for 800$
No gun smithing requried.
A good friend of mine always does that, goes to the pawn shop and grabs a BDL or ADL for the action then touches up the stock and adds a shilen match select.
Thinking selling my 14.5" AR to fund this, i just don't use it and figured i'd could get a good chunk of money for considering whats in it. If i was shooting 3-gun or carbine classes it would be different. Since i got my MK12 Mod 1 going my BCM 14.5 basically sits in my room.
If you decided to build try one of Bell & Carlson Medalists stocks. I have two that the action was just dropped in and they shoot very well. One is the haevy build with the Kreiger barrel that shoots 1/4 MOA. The last one, third stock, an M 40, we bedded just the recoil lug for ****s and giggles. Thats the one with th Bartlein in it. You see how it shoots.
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A friend of mine is planning to put his AAC in a medalist, personally i've always found them to not be aesthetically pleasing but i'll have to get behind one to really see. For this particular rifle i was thinking i'd go with more of a classic stock like the MCS TA, maybe have it 90% carbon fiber to reduce some weight to as this would be a mobile/truck gun.
End product looking similar to this, though it would be nowhere near the quality i love the look of George's extreme hunter.
End product looking similar to this, though it would be nowhere near the quality i love the look of George's extreme hunter.
Bart B. wrote, "A 1:10 twist for the .30-06 started back in 1903..."
Actually before that, and even before the Krag was adopted. As usual, they experimented with the cartridge before choosing the rifle and began testing .30 caliber cartridges in 1889, using Model 1888 actions. Why .30 caliber? Because, the man who selected it told a reporter, "it seemed like a nice round number".
Things were less formal in those days; under today's system, they would still be holding meetings to choose a new rifle caliber and the "trapdoor" would still be in service.
Jim
Actually before that, and even before the Krag was adopted. As usual, they experimented with the cartridge before choosing the rifle and began testing .30 caliber cartridges in 1889, using Model 1888 actions. Why .30 caliber? Because, the man who selected it told a reporter, "it seemed like a nice round number".
Things were less formal in those days; under today's system, they would still be holding meetings to choose a new rifle caliber and the "trapdoor" would still be in service.
Jim
Doesn't look like there is much difference between the MCS T and the M 40. Does the MCS T have to be bedded or is it piller-blocked from the manufacturer? I presume it's blocked. Something I like about the M 40 is it has a higher comb that has a groove just behind the bolt that allows the bolt to be easily removed. You can see it in the pic. B&C M 40 weighs 2.7 lb. what's the MCS T weigh?
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The reason why i'm so sold on manners is the mini chassis system. Which serves as aluminum bedding and DBM for 360$. In which i wouldn't have to bed it at all. No smithing required, torque and go really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV8Hae4e_Qo
MCS TA is 2.5lbs 2.1 if you get it with 90% carbon fiber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV8Hae4e_Qo
MCS TA is 2.5lbs 2.1 if you get it with 90% carbon fiber.
B&C stile 4 / M 40 full aluimnum skeletal system. Stocky's $264.02.
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-553/bell-carlson-medalist-tactical/Detail
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=bell and carlson medalist stock&sm=1
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-553/bell-carlson-medalist-tactical/Detail
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=bell and carlson medalist stock&sm=1
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That i can't argue with it's certainly more appealing price wise.
My friend sent me this group today from his AAC, still on the hogue stock. I was impressed.
4 shots in the center hole
Best he could do at 400yds with no data lol we guestimated but hell he's on target.
Just as i posted this another thread came up on the hide concerning remington's quality control and the AAC's accuracy.
Brownells has .308 bolt face 700 actions on sale right now for 350$ that's hard to pass up for a new action. Could take that put it in a stock of my choice and take my .308 barrel from my 5R and have it cut to 16.5 or 18.5 and threaded. Get a bartlein blank like i planned and switch my main rifle to .260. Since i already have all the components to reload .260 and .308.
Just a thought, would cost a couple 100$ more but the more negatives that keep popping up about the AAC the more worrisome i get.
My friend sent me this group today from his AAC, still on the hogue stock. I was impressed.
4 shots in the center hole
Best he could do at 400yds with no data lol we guestimated but hell he's on target.
Just as i posted this another thread came up on the hide concerning remington's quality control and the AAC's accuracy.
Brownells has .308 bolt face 700 actions on sale right now for 350$ that's hard to pass up for a new action. Could take that put it in a stock of my choice and take my .308 barrel from my 5R and have it cut to 16.5 or 18.5 and threaded. Get a bartlein blank like i planned and switch my main rifle to .260. Since i already have all the components to reload .260 and .308.
Just a thought, would cost a couple 100$ more but the more negatives that keep popping up about the AAC the more worrisome i get.
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reynolds357
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Jerry, I am not exactly sure what your rifle is doing, but what I am understanding is that it groups decent but has flyers?
I have never had a Remington that shot great until I squared the action and re-cut the chamber. Their barrels are usually pretty good barrels. Their machine work and assembly just leave a lot to be desired. Having said that, the symptom I usually see are poor groups or groups moving as the barrel heats up. Flyers are usually some sort of bedding issue or barrel contact issue. Even aluminum block bedded stocks can have issues. I have seen some expensive stocks with aluminum blocks throw shots like crazy until the contact problem they had was solved.
I have never had a Remington that shot great until I squared the action and re-cut the chamber. Their barrels are usually pretty good barrels. Their machine work and assembly just leave a lot to be desired. Having said that, the symptom I usually see are poor groups or groups moving as the barrel heats up. Flyers are usually some sort of bedding issue or barrel contact issue. Even aluminum block bedded stocks can have issues. I have seen some expensive stocks with aluminum blocks throw shots like crazy until the contact problem they had was solved.
reynolds357, with the original barrel it wouldn't group under 2" at 100 yards. No fliers, other then the ones I pulled, it just wouldn't shoot even close to MOA.
The action was trued and the Bartlein installed. It was put back in the same B&C stock I had put it in originally. We did bed the recoil lug but only the recoil lug. It went from a + 2 MOA to 1/4 MOA.
I was so sure it was going to be a good shooter that before I even shot it I put it in the B&C M 40 stock, installed a mag system, tactical bolt knob and a Jewell trigger. I was really disappointed when nothing I put down the tube and nothing I tried got it to shoot any better. I put the Bartlein barrel on it and the first three rounds (same load my other 308 shoots 1/4 MOA with) were under 1/2 MOA. The three bullet types I've tried (SMK 168 & 175 & SGK 165) have all grouped under 1/2 MOA. When I do my part it'll shoot 1/4 MOA now.
The action was trued and the Bartlein installed. It was put back in the same B&C stock I had put it in originally. We did bed the recoil lug but only the recoil lug. It went from a + 2 MOA to 1/4 MOA.
I was so sure it was going to be a good shooter that before I even shot it I put it in the B&C M 40 stock, installed a mag system, tactical bolt knob and a Jewell trigger. I was really disappointed when nothing I put down the tube and nothing I tried got it to shoot any better. I put the Bartlein barrel on it and the first three rounds (same load my other 308 shoots 1/4 MOA with) were under 1/2 MOA. The three bullet types I've tried (SMK 168 & 175 & SGK 165) have all grouped under 1/2 MOA. When I do my part it'll shoot 1/4 MOA now.