7.62x25mm Tokarev
1700fps is considerably higher than any data I have for this round, fired from a handgun. Like about 300fps higher. My books spec the 87gr @ 1390fps, so where is 1700fps coming from? A carbine??
15 yards IS long distance for some people with some guns. And, its kind of long distance for a justifiable self defense shooting. It happens, but its a lot less common than shorter distances, and small pistols are made for ease of carry and concealment, not ease of accuracy at longer ranges.
There are several parts to your question, accuracy at 100m, power at that same distance, and finally smallest gun combining both.
I can't speak to what will penetrate 12' of ballistic gel at 100m, sorry. Never had to defend myself from ballistic gel at any range...
As to accuracy, there is this,..
this is an opinion, which I happen to disagree with, though I've never specifically tried to hit the A&B zones at 100 yds, I used to shoot the 200 yd gong (admittedly considerably wider, but at double the distance) and I've had dozens of guns that can hit it, in my hands, OFFHAND.
I'd say hitting that target at 100yds is the shooter, more than the gun. Service class semi autos are about the worst for that, but it CAN be done.
Stationary target, and taking the time needed for the shot, I have done it, and I've even done it with pocket pistols. Takes time (shots) to LEARN the gun, but once learned, its not terribly difficult, for me, anyway. But, I've been shooting that 200yd gong with pistols for 30+ years, so I might have a small edge in experience there.
Smaller pistols, with coarse, to really crappy sights, and generally inferior trigger pulls make the task much more difficult, but it can be done.
Doubt even a master class shooter could do it under "combat" conditions, but it is possible. There is a documented case of a good guy taking out a bad guy with his 9mm service pistol at over 70 yards, so it is possible.
I'd say the answer to part of your question would be finding someone who can make the required shot, then see what the smallest gun he can make it with, is, and go from there.
Good Luck!
Bullet Weight: 90 gr
Initial Velocity: 1700 fps
1700fps is considerably higher than any data I have for this round, fired from a handgun. Like about 300fps higher. My books spec the 87gr @ 1390fps, so where is 1700fps coming from? A carbine??
But it has me wondering, how small can you go before your pistol is basically a near-contact weapon? It seems these days a lot of the smaller pistols are made with 15yds as “long distance.”
ETA: And by “effective”, I mean able to deliver A or B zone hits on an IPSC silhouette with enough energy to penetrate 12” of ballistics gel at 100m.
15 yards IS long distance for some people with some guns. And, its kind of long distance for a justifiable self defense shooting. It happens, but its a lot less common than shorter distances, and small pistols are made for ease of carry and concealment, not ease of accuracy at longer ranges.
There are several parts to your question, accuracy at 100m, power at that same distance, and finally smallest gun combining both.
I can't speak to what will penetrate 12' of ballistic gel at 100m, sorry. Never had to defend myself from ballistic gel at any range...
As to accuracy, there is this,..
The A/B zone is only 6" wide. There aren't many handguns that can reliably hit that at 100 yards even if fired from a Ransom Rest.
this is an opinion, which I happen to disagree with, though I've never specifically tried to hit the A&B zones at 100 yds, I used to shoot the 200 yd gong (admittedly considerably wider, but at double the distance) and I've had dozens of guns that can hit it, in my hands, OFFHAND.
I'd say hitting that target at 100yds is the shooter, more than the gun. Service class semi autos are about the worst for that, but it CAN be done.
Stationary target, and taking the time needed for the shot, I have done it, and I've even done it with pocket pistols. Takes time (shots) to LEARN the gun, but once learned, its not terribly difficult, for me, anyway. But, I've been shooting that 200yd gong with pistols for 30+ years, so I might have a small edge in experience there.
Smaller pistols, with coarse, to really crappy sights, and generally inferior trigger pulls make the task much more difficult, but it can be done.
Doubt even a master class shooter could do it under "combat" conditions, but it is possible. There is a documented case of a good guy taking out a bad guy with his 9mm service pistol at over 70 yards, so it is possible.
I'd say the answer to part of your question would be finding someone who can make the required shot, then see what the smallest gun he can make it with, is, and go from there.
Good Luck!