What's the real deal with carrying in a post office

The number one way to insure you are not arrested and made the test case is to conceal properly.

Any "what if" scenarios involving nija attacks on the PO while I am present and the reprecusions of using the concealed handgun mean nothing because if I am using it it is to stay alive. That is more important than a possible charge to fight.
 
As Musketeer said,
"Any "what if" scenarios involving nija attacks on the PO while I am present and the reprecusions of using the concealed handgun mean nothing because if I am using it it is to stay alive. That is more important than a possible charge to fight."

If you carry, it is to protect yourself and others. If you volunarily disarm yourself you are putting yourself-- and those "others" -- at risk. When we consider the abysmal record of Post Office shootings (the term "going postal" originated for a good reason) I believe it is unconscionable for an honest person to do so. Granted, if you're accidentaly "made" it could get sticky but then I remember all the stories I've heard about guys dating women for weeks before she ever knew he was armed.
I had one occasion when I had to go to the local hospital for some tests. The nice nurse told me to strip down and put on a gown. She was somewhat flabbergasted when I laid my gun on the table nearby, saying something about she 'didn't know I had one of those'. I told her that was because it was concealed. Unless you plan to disrobe in the P.O. you shouldn't have a concern.
I'm so old now that I doubt I would be much help to anyone in a shooting situation, so I no longer carry-- at least, not all the time. When and if I do though, my only concerns are safety and metal detectors. What Big Brother doesn't know is none of his damned business!
And yes, Mike, you do join the sheeple when you let yourself be guided through life by malum prohibitum laws.
 
"And is your instructor going to jail for you if he is incorrect?"

He won't be going to jail for me but he does offer legal counsel since HE wrote the laws that made it legal for me to carry the weapon. He has been used as an expert witness many times when lethal force was used by a concealed carry license holder and has represented numerous people dealing with the legalities of concealed carry.
 
I know you cannot carry here in SC into a PO, since every one I've ever been to has the big sign as per SC law about not carrying into a building. Big red circle with a line thru it over a gun.
 
When will the sleeping giant awake?

Isn't it nice to know that a terrorist (foreign or domestic) or BG can rest assured of a defenseless and docile source of victims at a school or post office? At least in the case of county courthouses there are armed officers on duty. When's the last time you saw an armed guard at a school or post office? Isn't anyone aware war has been declared against us? Moscow theater? Beslan? The town in Chechnya where terrorists killed most of the government in a few hours, including police and office workers?

Also, isn't it nice to know you can stake-out a post office parking lot to see which cars might have an unattended gun in them? Oh, yeah, and what happens to your carry license when you explain that you left a gun unattended in a car? And what happens if your stolen gun is used to kill or injure someone?
 
Umm, guys...

I went to the PO and asked. :D Their statement was that while THEY know everyone does it in this area and THEY don't care the official stance is that this is a no-no and if you do it in a PO where some anal-retentive catches you you CAN be prosecuted under federal law and win, lose or draw, it'll take everything you have just fighting it. In short, the rules are intentionally vague not for YOUR benefit, but the convenience of prosecutors and the postmaster or other authorities.

Here in Bo-hunk, BFE, it's a non-issue and getting an effective prosecution would be a PITA even if they wanted to try. So, nobody bothers. In say, Atlanta, OTOH, your ass is grass because of the prevailing politics, which would likely result in someone seeking to prosecute you and plenty of means to get the job done effectively.

I just report the news, you make of it what you will. :)
 
In say, Atlanta, OTOH, your ass is grass because of the prevailing politics, which would likely result in someone seeking to prosecute you and plenty of means to get the job done effectively.
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You said it. You will get hassled if you carry a gun here, legally. I don't discuss my gun carrying habits with ANYONE (except you fine anonymous people!) If you pack here pack it quietly and discreetly.

I don't think a regular firearms license here in Georgia lets you carry a gun in a Post Office but the security guard/private investigator does, so I don't chance it. I do know that the police can and do but I guess that counts under "offcial purposes". Uniformed cops have to mail letters too! I did see a postal clerck hassle an off duty cop (wearing a sport jacket, gun and badge on belt) a few years ago. She told he could not carry that in there even when he showed his creditials as a police officer. Don't know what happend, I didn't stay to see.
 
I dont know as I would be a postal clerk hassling an off duty cop..because when you leave the post office its welcome to my world....lol

As I said if your state law allows it and you are liscensed you should be good to go. However anal retentive federal tyrantcrats can make life miserable. Like I said you could probably be arrested and charged and have to defend yourself. Thats why a clarification of "official purposes" or "lawful purposes should be in the code."

But I would guess that bureaucrats like to make such language not clear, keeps em in business.....lol
 
Isn't it nice to know that a terrorist (foreign or domestic) or BG can rest assured of a defenseless and docile source of victims at a school or post office?
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School carry is legal in some states, both on grounds and in the building. As for the PO, the BG just might be surprised.
 
He won't be going to jail for me but he does offer legal counsel since HE wrote the laws that made it legal for me to carry the weapon.
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He wrote a law that has jurisdiction in a Federal building? Sure...
 
An Additional Requirement Under Federal Law

The federal statute in question, 18 U.S.C. sec. 930 has an additional requirement for prosecution nobody else has mentioned:

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

Thus, the post office or other federal facillity must post a conspicuous notice before a person can be prosecuted unless the government can show the person had actual notice some other way. Thus, simply carrying unlawfully in a post office cannot be prosecuted unless there is a posted notice.
 
Course, if it can be shown you've read this thread in its entirety, it can be shown you
had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
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:D

I carry in the PO. And I'm calling Rob and Dean if I ever get busted. :p
 
proper signage

The P.O. I use sometimes has a large lobby area w/P.O. boxes,stamp vending etc,there is not a "no carry" sign on the door.Inside the lobby is a second door to the clerks counter,on this door there is a sign,by the time you see it you're 15 ft. into the building.The question I have is if caught can improper sinage be used as a defense?(not just at the P.O.)Another ex.is my bank there is a sign on the street entrance but not on the door from the parking lot.
 
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