I have a collection of "value" guns, including a Canik, 2 SARs, a K2P and a K2 45, two Taurus PT111's, 3 Surplus Tanfoglios, and quite a few others that all cost less than $400. A friend of mine and I went to the range with the Canik TP9v2, one of the PT111's, one of the Tanfoglio TA/90s, a Dan Wesson 15-2, the Sar K2 45, and his new Taurus 66. It wasn't even close, the Tanfoglio TA/90 was the star of the bunch, even with a weak recoil spring that made the slide slam the slide stop when shooting it. Second place was the PT111, it shot very well, it's sole negative was it's size compared to any of the others. It has a great grip, and hit where we pointed it. It had a single jam on the third round, it might have been my fault due to my fingers riding the slide, and then it went through nearly 200 rounds without a hitch. It's now been close to 1000 rounds and there is no excessive wear or anything else. I upgraded the recoil spring to the Lakeline LLC stainless recoil assembly, and added a Truglo fiber optic sight to the front of it. I've owned a Taurus "lemon", and the PT111, at least most of them, don't seem to be one. A steal at less than $250, and an almost insane bargain at the $199 I paid for my second one. The Taurus 66 my friend brought shot fine, no problems and seemed to be finished inside and out much better than my old garbage Model 83 was.