Whats the quickest sight practical for carry?

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cs138

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I have stock glock 23 that I plan on modifying slightly. I am looking at several options in reguards to sights and I was hoping you guys could help. I plan on doing some backyard racing with this gun and I need something that is quicker and more capable for small targets/ extended range than the factory sights. I will also be using it for defense so it must be just as quick in the dark. Here are my choices so far:

1) Holo sight, I dont think I could get much quicker and I believe that with the center dot on the standard recticle I could have longer range accuracy. Cons: lack of cary holster options, price

2) Lazer max sight to replace factory recoil rod, I think that this would be a great compromise since I could still get good accuracy without losing carry options like the holo, Im afraid that this would not be usable on a bright day howerver expecialy at extended range.

3) Ghost ring night sights, This is the most affordable option and guaranteed dependable but I would still have a problem with the front sight covering the whole target like I do with the factory sights.

I have not had the opportunity to play with any of these options and I dont have the budget to experiment so any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
I need something that is quicker and more capable for small targets/ extended range
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This is the rub ;), sights that are faster at close range are usually less precise for small targets at extended range. I personally don't think lasers and holo-sights are proven enough for a gun for self defense. All the guys I know who bought laser sights have removed them and now use them mainly to pester the family cat.

Though it may not satisfy any whiz bang hi-tech need, I'd suggest you try Heinie Slant Pro night sights, then open the rear sight just a bit. Custom Glock Racing has them already set up like this for Glocks ("Race cut") but could likely do the same for those sights for any gun.

Good luck!

P.S. Welcome aboard!
 
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cs138

Like David Scott I was going to recommend the Ashley Express sights. I have had them once before on a Glock 32. They take some getting used to, but they are some of the fastest sights to acquire. I am going to try them on a G19 and see how they work.
 
Ashleys are good ....so are Trijicons and Meprolights. I think any good night sight is a great thing. As far as the Lasermax...I would highly recommend them also. A good laser is a hell of a tool. My SP is my carry gun of choice..its at the doctor getting some tweaking done. Its got a CTC Laser Grip on it and it does a hell of alot more than exercise my cats :D. IMO, people who slam or detract from current laser technology are ignorant to them or used to the "tape on" units of the past. These are MUCH better and much different to use than the older style units. But you do need to still practice using you sights.
Id go for the Lasermax.....IMO, its the best tool you can have on a gun for defensive purposes. You will point shoot/aim at everything in your home for 2 weeks and it helps alot...you can see just how far off you really are...which is surprising at first.
Shoot well
 
I think your right Eric, lazers can be very usefull but you have to be able to make hits with your regular sights as well. The thing Im concerned about is that if I get the lazermax sight I will try to go out shooting with it on a nice sunny day and not be able to see it. Are they usable under ALL light conditions? Those things are too expensive to only be able to use around the house and at indoor ranges.

What do you guys think about my ghost ring sights? PT makes ghost rings with tritium dots for use at night. Are there any drawbacks Im not thinking of? I have never liked normal sights and I have a hard time getting a good sight picture quickly despite all the practice. I am used to useing the peep sights on a M16 and like them alot better.
 
I haven't heard of the ghost ring sights you mentioned, do you have a link? I'd like to see what they look like, can't quite wrap my brain around the concept of a ghost ring on handgun.

Thanks.
 
For some reason the link didnt work but just go to topglock.com and look at their products under sights.
 
Night sights, or Ashleys.

If you want to have nighttime SD applications, anything that needs a battery can fail just when you may need it, AND unless it has a pressure-sensitive switch, you will be wasting time in turing it on rather than proctecting yourself. I have two holoscopes (for long guns) , but they do need to be turned-on and adjusted before usage.

If you insist, consider the Trijicon Reflex sight systems, they do not use batteries.
 
I had Crimson Trace laser grips on a J Frame

I could see them on a telegraph pole 200 yards away at dusk, and much further in complete darkness. In modest daylight about 20 yards was max practical, and on a bright sunny day you are talking 5 yards max on a bright surface, possibly 10 yards on typical clothing. About twice the price of night sights, but very useful !
 
Yeah it'll be a while but I probably will get a lazermax for my gun. Right now good night sights are my main priority since my house is pitch black at night. I am probably going to get the pt ghost ring sights with the tritium dots in a week or so. I hate to sound like a broken record but does anyone have experience with them or other type of ghost ring pistol sights? On my current budget these are a big investment so I want to make sure there are no problems I havent thought of. My eyes are just so slow to get a good sight picture with regular sights. I have that front sight in no time but lining up with the rear sights takes me far to long to be practical in a defense situation. Glocks point very well for me but still I need a rear sight that works for me.

p.s. thanks again for all the help.
 
What leftover said....pretty much exactly. They are way bright for lasers..but in bright sun light....5-7 yards is about it...and sometimes you have to look for it them at that distance.
The reason I believe in them is, my point shooting with my Ruger has become alot better and most defensive situations happen in a darker setting. The combination of what has been said to be "the common BG" situation make it perfect. Closer distance, fast draw and you may be in a situation that you cant get a good sight picture (point shooting/around a corner)....I like my CTC.
Shoot well
 
To meet all your requirements, I suggest an Ashley Express SMALL Dot Tritium front sight and a white outline adjustable Glock rear sight. I have this combo on an G17 that I use as a house gun or trainer. Goast rings on a rifle are fine because the rear is close to your eye relative to a pistol held away from the body. On a pistol for goast rings to be effective the light must be "just right". Last time I checked they were banned by idpa, just so you know.:)
 
Texas Bob...

"I just noticed I can't spell GHOST"

Does that mean that you are no longer interested on the Goast sights??? :D
 
Ok so those Ashleys look like a good second choice if the ghost ring is troublesome. I noticed a ashley express small dot was mentioned. Do they actualy make a small dot or did he mean medium? With the medium is the dot small enough to shoot accurately? I cant hit like I want to if the dot covers most of the target.
 
There are two dot sizes. Standard and Big.

I have the standard on my G29 but I'm pretty sure I'd have gone with the big dot if I had it to do again. It's my carry piece, and I'm not interested in surgical precision at 25yds. I can hit what I want with my standard out to 15yds without difficulty.

- Gabe
 
cs, I'm afraid that your best bet is going to be to actually handle these various sights. What works well for one person's eye may not work for somebody else. I know people who love Ashley sights, and other people who hate them. It all comes down to what works for your eye.

The Ashley's work on the principle that as the gun comes up into your periphrial vision, your eye will automatically pick up the big white dot. Ashley Emerson knows more about sights than anybody I've ever met. (This is also why the sights are white, even though Jeff Cooper bugged him to make a red one, white is picked up in your periphrial vision faster than anything else).

There are two sizes, the big dot, and the standard dot. The big dot is huge, and is usually recommended for folks with poorer eye sight. It is fast to use, when you bring the gun up it is pretty much impossible to miss the front sight.

The standard dot is recommended by most foks who believe in express sights as it is a bit smaller, and doesn't obscure as much of the target.

I've never used ghost ring sights on a hand gun. So my opinons are half baked at best. But the point of the peep sight is that you can look through the rear sight, and therefore forget about it. This only works if the peep is close to your eye. Thats why I get a kick out of peep sights mounted up forward of the receiver of an AK or an SKS. It obscures more of the target and slows you down. How this works on a pistol? I've got no idea. But think of this, if you are worried about the Ashleys because they will obscure to much of the target by having a big front site, how will having an enormous rear sight affect you?

I use basic Novak sights with IWI tritium inserts. That is what works for me. That is what I've learned on.
 
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