What’s happening at X-Treme Bullets?

JeepHammer wrote: I tried 2,000 bullets, didn't like them, WAY off specification, so I tried their customer service... Let's just say their customer service is pretty well non-existent...
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Let me guess, these were 124gr FMJ RN that were .3535 to .354 in diameter that were purchased in May/June timeframe? I had problems finding a load that was somewhat accurate with them. I have had much better success with their plated bullets.

It took 2 weeks of emails to get the RMA. The bullets have been back at Xtreme for a month. I started asking what was going on at the 1 month mark. I am still waiting to see what happens. I am not happy with their customer service as well.
 
No, it was .40 cal bullets. 0.002 to 0.005" oversize and out of round, weight was 5 to 11 grains off. QC checked about 200 and gave up. A cop friend that blows through ammo in a carbine took them.
 
Jeephammer

Do you really believe a measurement the size of a human hair is significant. If you do I would like to know your reasoning. Also did you check the bullets with a concentricity gauge to check roundness
 
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I have used some Xtreme Bullets without issues, but I too found them to be very inconsistent so I switched to Rainier and have been a happy camper ever since.

I ordered 1000 200 grain .40 caliber bullets and loaded them to about 1150 ftp for my Glock 20. They all tumbled and key-holed at that speed. I tried my factory Glock barrel and my aftermarket Lone Wolf Alpha Wolf and it was the same in both of them.

I still have several hundred of them and will likely load them up in the 40 S&W and hope they work at lower velocities but 1150 isn't exactly that fast in the first place. Most any plated bullets are rated for at least 1200 fps and the heavier ones to 1500.
 
I have had great success ordering directly from X-treme. I have been very pleased with everything I've ordered:

200gn RNFP, 44 Spl; 200gn FP, 45 ACP; 230gn HP, 45 ACP; 180gn FP, 40 S&W (10mm); 158gn FP, 38/357; 125gn FP, 38/357; 158gn SWC, 38/357. 158gn RNFP, 38/357.

All of these work great for my applications. However, I built up most all my inventory a couple years ago; and maybe things have changed since then.

200 grain .40 caliber bullets and loaded them to about 1150 ftp for my Glock 20. They all tumbled and key-holed at that speed.
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disseminator, Haven't tried that particular bullet. I do use their 180gn FP for my Glock 20 (and 29). I have stock and Lone Wolf barrels for both. Using 8.8gn of AA#5 (this is for 10mm folks, not 40 S&W), they run 1063 f/s through the G20; and go nice n straight. I have since backed it down to 8.4 grains for my personal preference, but haven't chrono'd them at that charge weight. I've also ran them up to over 1100 f/s using HS-6, and still had good luck with them going straight.

Obviously, I'm not driving my 180's as hard as your are your 200's. But that's my experience.

I pay no attention to the "maximum velocity" recommendations often printed on the box (or website) of plated bullets. The concept is silly. Plating breakdown is about pressure, not velocity. Furthermore, the whole system is very dynamic (to say the least!) and can not be put into a specific velocity parameter. Knowing that 10mm is a very potent round, I make the choice to drive plated bullets only to range fodder applications. Anything stronger than that (high-recoil defense level practice), and I move to jacketed bullets.
 
@Nick_C_S

You make some excellent points about pressure vs velocities but the fact remains that the 200's tumble. I will load them in 40 S&W and I am sure they will be fine.
 
@Nick_C_S is right. I could not get some of my high pressure 38+p+ handloads to register on the chrono. Figured out they were tumbling. These were only going about 900 fps. Same batch of bullets shot fine with other loads. Figured out it was too hot a load and was stripping the plating and causing them to tumble. It’s all about pressure, not velocity.


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I have had no problem with their 9mm or .224 55gr bullets. Getting very good accuracy out of my AR. MOA to 1.5" groups at a 100 yards depending on batch. Either way it is fine for cheapo bullets to me. If I want sub MOA I use Sierra Match king 52gr bullets however they cost much more.
 
I know a few other people on another forum tat load nothing but Xtreme 124gr Hp and they will order thousands at a time when they are on sale. I have so far loaded 500 100gr 380acp that were purchased at Cabela's while they were on sale at $36.00 per 500. They loaded nice and shot very well in my gun and will buy them again.
 
Snakeye,

Yes, that hair width of difference can matter. After seeing it document in Beartooth Bullets tech manual, I have verified that it does. The tech manual showed lead bullets grouping better in his revolver when they were 0.002" over than when they were 0.001" over, but worse when they were 0.003" over. I've found similar results in my Marlin 1895's chamber. So if you are interested in accuracy it is worth exploring different diameters for their effect on paper.
 
I have not heard anything, other than they did get into a few big box retailers. They are making more bullets today than they did last year, and they run weekly sales of some sort. Their .223 55 FMJ bullets are also excellent.

Regardless of sale or not, if you use "MPXB2017" you will get an extra 5% off your order.
 
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