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Leave.

Start the process as soon as possible. Beg the rest of the world to come in and help out, and give up some of those rebuilding contracts to the rest of the world, rather than creating a new American colony. Hopefully, by getting the rest of the world's important countries involved, we can move along to getting out of the quagmire and soaking all the costs.

Apologize to people for all the double talk, the torture chambers (wether you consider them so or not, they're another black eye for the USA). and the WP munitions (awful close to chemical weapons to most people, y'know).

Once some of the American arrogance is erased, then some of the hatred against America is erased. There's no fight against terrorists, here or there, if there aren't any terrorists to fight, and rather than declaring war on Islam's children, its easier to erase the source of conflict.

Which, is why once I've started the exodus from Iraq, my next diplomatic mission is to take care of Israel.

Terrorism isn't rooted in a hatred of American freedom, that's bullcrap and we all know it. Its rooted in a hatred of American policies.
 
quote/ Terrorism isn't rooted in a hatred of American freedom, that's bullcrap and we all know it. Its rooted in a hatred of American policies. / endquote/

a looooooooong history of fubar foreign policy.
 
a looooooooong history of fubar foreign policy.

I disagree, it isn't our foreign policy that makes the muslims attack us it is because we are infidels. Once you realize this you understand we are not the bad guys in this.

Muslim conquest has gone on for centuries, well before America even existed.

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actually if you read their bull**** propaganda, it is our foreign policy that they dont like, and the reason for their hatred.

I never said we where the bad guys.

quote/ Muslim conquest has gone on for centuries, well before America even existed./end quote

does this mean that you think sept 11th was becasue of their quest for territory? im confused.
 
Muslim terrorists attack America because of our never ending, extreme protection of Isreal over any and all things.

Sure, they'll talk about US military bases in Saudi Arabia and other related things, but the number one reason is Israel.

Isreal, Palestine, these are the roots of the problem. Not "freedom."
 
does this mean that you think sept 11th was becasue of their quest for territory? im confused.

History again, the terrorist chose 9-11 because that was the date the Muslim conquest was stopped at the gates of Viena. Their quest isn't for territory it is for submission to Allah.

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your telling me that they planned this day out for YEARS and they carried out one of the best covert operations EVER on one specific day? huh......no. you think if it woulld of been raining out that morning they would of bought tickets? so what would their meaning of been if the attack day was the
12th?
 
your telling me that they planned this day out for YEARS and they carried out one of the best covert operations EVER on one specific day?

No they all got together the night before and over a few beers decided on 9-11

Conversation here has just dried up

Later
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*bzzzt*

Wrong answer. The Battle of Vienna was fought (and won by the Habsburgs) on September 12, 1683.

To the history books, quick! Let's find another defeat of a Muslim army that took place on a September 11 to back up our case...
 
Wrong answer. The Battle of Vienna was fought (and won by the Habsburgs) on September 12, 1683.
The battle pitted a Habsburg army of about 100,000 troops and their allies, led by Charles V, Duke of Lorraine, a 30,000-man relief force under Jan III Sobieski, King of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against the Ottoman army, commanded by Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha, which numbered approximately 140,000 men, although a large number of them played no part in the battle. The siege itself began in July 14, 1683, and the decisive battle took place on September 12, 1683.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

I doubt the 9/11 attack was planned for a specific date, it was planned for maximum death and destruction, the timing was coincidental.
 
*bzzzt*

Wrong answer. The Battle of Vienna was fought (and won by the Habsburgs) on September 12, 1683.

To the history books, quick! Let's find another defeat of a Muslim army that took place on a September 11 to back up our case...


LOL was that on the Roman calender or the Gregorian calender:D Geez I was off in your eyes by a hole 24 hours? Does history say the battle was lost on the 12th and the Muslims say it was on the 11th or did they want to restart the war a day early? When you realize how close the dates are and how long the Muslims hold a grudge you might see the conection.

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Yeah, I might see a connection if I wanted to find one badly enough. When you're already deeply convinced of the answer, it's not that hard to find questions to match your conclusion. It doesn't mean that your theory has anything to do with reality, though.

LOL was that on the Roman calender or the Gregorian calender

The Gregorian "calender"<sic> was not adopted by the Habsburg-ruled Austria until 1760, but the date of the battle is adjusted for the modern Gregorian calendar. In the unadjusted Julian calendar, the difference would be ten days, not one. The Turks didn't use the Gregorian calendar until the 1920s...they didn't use the Julian calendar, either, but rather the Islamic Hijri tabular calendar. 12 September 1683 in the Hijri calendar was 20 Ramad'haan 1294 A.H.

But you go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe...
 
The Gregorian "calender"<sic> was not adopted by the Habsburg-ruled Austria until 1760, but the date of the battle is adjusted for the modern Gregorian calendar.

I love adjustments in history, don't you:D They are so precise. You expect precision in my opinion and you give me adjusted dates in yours:) History is more than just names and dates, the culture of the people in the times and the enviroment both political and physical makes the real history and I hope you figure that out someday.

No need for further discussion as I don't believe there is any point but in the interest of civility you may have the last word.

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Edited to say what time is it in the middle east and what day is it right now?
 
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model 25,

since reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit, let me recap the discussion so far.

You made the claim that

History again, the terrorist chose 9-11 because that was the date the Muslim conquest was stopped at the gates of Viena.

I pointed out that the date of the battle was not September 11, but September 12.

You then implied that I got the date wrong by using the wrong calendar:

LOL was that on the Roman calender or the Gregorian calender

I then clarified that the battle was not fought on September 11 regardless of which calendar you use, whether it's the Gregorian, Julian ("Roman"), or Islamic calendar, therefore proving that your claim about the terrorists choosing that date was wrong.

You then tried to accuse me of innacuracy by claiming I gave you "adjusted dates". The only adjustment here is by dating a battle by a calendar which was not in use by the time the battle was fought. However, there was no misleading adjustment here, because we also know the date of the battle by the two calendars that were in use in that part of the world at the time, namely the Julian calendar and the Islamic calendar. Neither calendar shows that the battle was fought on a September 11, so your claim remains incorrect.

No need for further discussion as I don't believe there is any point but in the interest of civility you may have the last word.

No, there is no point for you to maintain your argument, because it has been proven wrong. But thank you oh so much for allowing me the last word.

Edited to say what time is it in the middle east and what day is it right now?

it depends on what part of the Middle East you are talking about, but most of the ME is in the GMT +2 and 3 time zones, meaning they are seven and eight hours ahead of us here in the Eastern Time Zone (GMT -5), respectively. In Iraq, for example, it is just past midnight on Friday, November 25 right now.

If you mean to suggest that the date of the battle was measured differently in the Middle East because of time zone differences, the argument works against you. The Muslim army before Vienna was Turkish, so they would have been just one hour ahead of Vienna. Even if the invaders had been Arabs, they would have only been two hours ahead of Vienna time, and even if the battle ended five minutes before midnight Vienna time, it would have been a day ahead (September 13) by Turkish or Arab reckoning, and thus even farther from September 11.
 
If it is 9-11 here it is 9-12 in the middle east.:D The Muslims live in the Muslim world not ours.

You will get farther in life if you don't try to insult people when you want to make a point. You may not think others have your power of comprehension by reading a few sentences they posted but when you get older a little patience in the point makeing will help you out

You run your road and I mine and neither of our opinions are worth the time it takes to express them.

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I would raze Fallujah

And any other Sunni town that knowingly harbors wanted terrorists...

If that's too harsh... I would destroy everything except the mosques...

By surrounding the town and destroying it block by block from the center outward... the "rats" will either die or try to escape... right into my trap.

Civilians would be compen$ated for their homes and businesses... which would be considerably cheaper than taking years to settle the issues and losing more good US and Iraqi soldiers in the process.

After Fallujah, this tactic wouldn't be required more than one or two more times.

At the same time I would devistate the trade routes to and from Iran and close the borders with Syria, and then kill anything that moves on or near them.

War is war and the shorter you can make it, the better.

Ruthlessness should reign until it is over... Just ask Generals Sherman, MacArthur, Patton, Rommel, Schwartzkoff etc... or just about any successful General in history.

Even Shakepeare knew that...

“In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man as modest stillness and humility; but when the blast of war blows in your ears, then imitate the action of the tiger.”

Henry V, Act III, Scene I, Line 3
 
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does this mean that you think sept 11th was becasue of their quest for territory? im confused.


You are consfused because you are ignorant of the historical facts...


1300+ years ago Muhammed founded the Isalmic religion and immediately began to conquer his fellow Arabs. Within a decade or so, he had conquered Medina and Mecca and made every local Arab a muslim at sword point.

When he died, his Caliphs continued this tradition and conquered the entire
area east to India, north to the Bysantine Empire and west across North Africa to the Atlantic coast and the southern half of Spain.

Their STATED purpose was to convert the world to Islam for Allah!!!

The ONLY reason you are not Muslim today... is that the Crusades STOPPED the Muslims from further conquest. (For the time being) And Islam has never given up on the religious conquest of the world.

They preach this in EVERY mosque in the world... NOT JUST THE FANATIC ONES!

It has remained their STATED purpose for 1300 years right up and to the present day.

Their purpose will not change until My God, or their Allah, makes it change.

If you could temporarily, at least, cease to seek fault in your own nation and it's leaders, you might be able to see a little of the true evil in your enemies.

The misled people of Islam know nothing more than Islam...
That is why a Democratic Muslim Nation in Iraq would be such a boon to the entire world!! It would expose the fundamentalists of Islam for the devils they really are.

All other motives like wealth, power and jealousy, are certainly involved...
But they are hidden far beneath their true motive...

to kill every Infidel (Non-believer) on the earth.
And that includes you...
 
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