What WONT a 12gauge with slugs or sabot kill? Bear etc?

what about this;

9rds - 12 Gauge Armor Piercing Ammo $44.95



Click to enlarge
This is 12 Gauge Armor Piercing Ammo. This ammo contains a specially made high velocity slug that has a steel core swaged into the middle of the slug. The base of the slug is solid lead, formed into a flat surface to help punch the steel core through the target. This ammo will typically defeat steel targets up to 1/4" thick. This is a 2 3/4" round loaded to a max charge. It is safe to shoot in all 12 gauge shotguns.
 
What do you get when you cross an elephant with a shotgun?
A double barreled trunk.

The old Elephant guns were basically shotguns with rifling, 4 gauge was popular. 12 gauge wouldn't be my first choice but a shot from the side into the brain pan sure wouldn't do an elephant any good. That being said the only critter I really wouldn't want to face head on with a 12 is a charging rhino. Hard to shoot when you picking up your feet and putting them down real fast as you head in a direction that he isn't. Fortunately the only ones near me are in a zoo and my chances of having to put theory to the test is remote.
 
No, they were true 4 and 8 bore rifles and they were the best of stoppers before the dawn of Cordite. Not shotguns with rifling and they did not fire a hollow base projectile even remotely similar to a shotgun slug. They were real rifles, used full length brass cases and fired real bullets.
 
How do you figure that?
Click to expand...
Penetration tests of Brenneke slugs. Foster-type hollow-base slugs are fairly poor penetrators and expand/fragment under duress, but the Brenneke slugs (and others of similar construction) remain solid/intact.
 
Well, I wouldn't go hunting large brown bear with a shotgun loaded with sabot slugs. But I have to think if one ran across me while I was trying to do something else, I'd feel pretty confident in close with a tube full of Federal Barnes Expander sabots: 328 grains at 1900 fps.
 
CraigC

I beg to differ with you, I have seen the guns and ammo in Mombassa, Kenya at the old A&F trade shop. 4 and 8 SMOOTH bore double barrels. They also had cartridge boards showing some very impressive slugs used in the mid 1800's.

So, you may say "No" but I say "YES":).
 
Hey, I have "stones" ..... oh wait, those were gall-stones ---and they took those out .....

good to see you around Bob ..
 
That's cool, I didn't say they didn't make shotguns of that size. But there were indeed 4 and 8 bore rifles. As I stated, they used brass cases, real bullets, lots of powder and had rifled bores. Some are still being produced on a limited basis.

Maybe you should call Ross Seyfried, who owns and shoots these monsters, that he's wrong in calling them "rifles"???
 
BigJimP

Jim,
Sorry I haven't kept in touch, good to hear from you too. My PM center here in the forum stopped working ? Just the other day I received a covey of OLD messages from you and Pete, I try to catch up!

Good Luck and Be Safe
 
I'm sure its a technical problem .... "can't be an operator issue"....

which reminds me, I have to put my cell phone away tonite, 4 of the local grandkids are coming over to make cookies ( and one of them will screw with my cell phone just to aggravate me ...) ...

Stay well Bob .
 
As I recall from my youth in the 1950's ,African Safaris were pretty much only the milieu of wealthy "white hunters" who could (a)afford such an expedition and (b) afford the expensive specialty rifles and cartridges used in this type of hunting. These rifles were almost cannons, and the cartridges they used were almost cannonballs. Specialty rifles were neccesary because Rhinos and Elephants and Tigers and Lions don't go softly into that good night. However, being financially able to afford these cannons didn't neccesarily confer shooting skills upon the owners, and since many of them were "adventurers"; and not really skilled hunters, and because some of them might flinch (in some cases) when firing a cannon while facing a tiger, savvy safari organizers always had a couple of trusted natives standing nearby (just out of the photos) with double-barrel shotguns, just in case Bawana missed or wounded that tiger or Rhino. These guys were counted upon to kill such a charging animal with a barage of shotgun blasts. I always assumed these guns were 12 gauge loaded with something like 000 Buckshot, but they may have been bigger than 12 gauge, and they may have been loaded with slugs instead of shotshells..
 
OK, it seems like a 12gauge will dispatch almost anything pretty well but is a little iffy on thicker skinned or boned animals. A slug has massive energy but not the hardness to penetrate some things well. Seems the answer would be a huge bore bullet in a sabot like a muzzle loader uses. I'm surprised someone has not done something like this but I can't find anything like it on the net.
 
However, a 45-70 loaded with Garrett Cartridges can and HAS taken every big, dangerous land animal on the planet. I don't know if there is a better choice than that.
Click to expand...
Is that safe in a Marlin GG? I know .45/70 can be cranked up to damn near .458 Win Mag...I wouldn't wanna try that with a Cobray Ladies' Home Companion, Thunder-5 or even a Contender carbine :eek:


Thx for the Dixie link (and Dupleks), looks like some more cool oddball stuff to stick in the ol' 12 ga. ammo can
 
Yes, it's safe in a Marlin GG...in fact, that is exactly what they used. Just go to Garrett Cartridges website and check it out.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top