What Where to buy HD Load

Back to the Estate Cartridge shotshells: You can get them from Natchez Shooters' Supply, www.natchezss.com.

As for 3" magnum rifled slugs, my primary use for them is for bear defense where I want every bit of power I can get.

I have also used 3" magnum sabot slugs for deer hunting. I get good accuracy from my rifled shotgun barrel with these, I can handle the recoil, and I've been pleased with the performance.
 
A coupla minor details...

Oleg, the big advantage of the shotgun for HD is the tremendous amount of energy it dumps into a target. Forensic pathologists call them "Bloody Ratholes". Small advantage,if you touch one off inside you MAY have some hearing left. With an AR, AK, etc, highly unlikely.

I see no advantage to 3 inch slugs over 2 3/4" for deer, perhaps w/ bear there's a difference.

I forget how many deer Ive taken with slugs.
Typically, a broadside shot into the lung area with a Forster or Brenneke means a short, easily followed blood trail,and a body cavity full of shredded tissue. A shoulder shot means both blades broken and a very quick recovery of the deer.

Sabots have longer blood trails, and less damage obvious during dressing. They're still quite effective, just not as dramatically as the 3/4 " before expansion Forster or Brenneke slug.
 
In the real world, you might reach for a bad assault rifle. In California, a shotgun is more politically correct and may be easier to defend in court. That is why I have put away my Carbon 15.

Anyone wish to give a tutorial on the different type of slugs and their uses. Any modifications needed to barrels in order to shoot some designs? Any designs expand better, or penetrate better? For HD, I can't imagine needing much more than added penetration. Should the world fall apart, my Carbon 15 is coming out and damn the court system. But then again, should the world fall apart, if the SHTF, we might be threatened more with finding drinkable water and our next meal rather than protecting our families and homes.
 
about getting ammo. cabelas had S&B 200 rounds of 00 or #4 for about $75 I think including shipping. something to check out.

curious
 
Gary, there's lots of old threads on slugs, including a few on setting up slug guns. I suggest a bit of research. A couple of short things, tho....

First, ain't no such thing as an ineffective 12 ga slug, and probably not a 20 either. All work well when inserted properly.

You could take two shotguns off the assembly line, identical and with consecutive serial numbers, and find they "Like" different slugs. Only benching and testing will tell which one works for you.

As a VERY loose rule, sabots shoot best in rifled bbls and either the old Forster slug or the monumental Brenneke work best in smoothbores and with rifled tubes.

Also, 3 inch mags may not penetrate as much as the 2 3/4" jobs. Extra velocity may cause that soft lead projectile to mushroom faster, cutting penetration.

Hope this helps...
 
I keep my shotgun loaded with Remington 2 3/4" No. 4 buckshot.

In the sidesaddle I keep 5 rounds of S&B 2 3/4" 00 buck, 12 pellets. This round gets 12 pellets, instead of the standard 9, because it doesn't have a folded crimp, it has a full-length hull with a roll crimp and cover wad. Kicks like a bloody SOB.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
I'm glad this topic came up. It reminded me that I'm nearly out of 3" OO for my Express Mag. Right now it's loaded with the last two, plus three Remington 3" turkey loads - 2 oz. of copper-plated number 5's. I thought about using the 3", 1 3/8 oz. steel BB duck loads. I also figure that with 14" thick brick walls covered with an inch or so of plaster there is a good chance some of this stuff is going bounce back at me if I'm not careful. Thanks again for reminding me and for the info. too. John
 
Regarding slugs for home defense, I load my magazines last two rounds with slugs, with the following reasoning. If three, four, or five (depending on mag capacity) rounds of #7 shot, #4 buck, or 00 buck (pick your favorite load) doesn't fix your problem, either a shotgun won't solve it, or you need something with better penetration (e.g. BG is hiding behind cover, etc.,) YMMV.

Tim
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gary H:
I still don't understand the need for slugs in HD. Have you read of situations where buckshot was inadequate? Take my house for example. In the house we are at buckshot distance. I can't imagine a battle scene where someone is out on the street shooting at me, but should that be the case, my Carbon 15 is a better weapon. Inside of the house, when are you loading the slug? Is Mr. BG behind the refrigerator, or your wood desk and will a slug do the job?[/quote]

Slugs have failed, see Jim Cirillo's book.
Rifles have failed Hatchcock and his spotter shot one VC multiple times with 30 cal rifles before he "stopped".

IMHO no one needs slugs for HD. But it is nice to have them at hand just in case.
I keep my SG loaded with 5 rounds of Fed's Tactical OO buck with 5 slugs on the butt cuff. The gun is stored chamber empty and has a 7 round mag tube so I can load it with slugs if I go outside.

I also keep one speedloader filled with Federal's 180 grain castcores for my 357, the gun is loaded with 125 JHP and so are most of the speedloaders. My 629 is loaded with Speer's 44 special 200 GDHP's and so are most of the speedloaders, but I keep one speed loader filled with Federal's 300 grain castcores.

I live in a small town, but I am only few blocks from fields. I know people who have been attacked by bulls on farms in the area, and my parents have had cattle in their yard before. Gee I am starting to sound like FUD :D Just last night the State Patrol was dealing with a whole heard of cattle on HWY 14 just a little ways from here.

I will admit going outside your home isn't true home defense most likely, more often aiding someone else. I have dealt with goblins attacking women outside my apartment on 2 seperate occasions though I didn't take my SG with me [came close the 2nd time though].

A 5.56 probably makes more sense when you go outside the home with a long gun. I don't like the 5.56 cartridge though, I know it would do the job, but I have no faith in a 22.

YMMV
BTW I live only about 15 minutes from the Mayo clinic, so this isn't even the west ;) the cows are SUPPOSED to be behind fences here :)

[This message has been edited by Glamdring (edited August 31, 2000).]
 
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