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sixgunnin

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This morning I awoke to a coyote trotting around the house. Grabbed a 12 ga with a couple loads of 3'' steel T's, slid open a window and fired both rounds at 30 yards.

I was able to track it in sparse snow for about 300 yards before losing it. I figure I may have hit it a bit far back. What do you guys think?
 
Is that legal in Montana? Around here you may not shoot from an occupied dwelling.

Next I ask are you sure it was 30 yards? TShot should have dropped it in it's tracks, assuming a full choke or better.
 
Obviously a miss, either total, or hits in the wrong part of the body.
That's easy.

What now easy is to guess why. None of us were there to see, so you just have to re-think it and try to figure out what happened. Most times it's stopping the lead and shooting too far back
 
I didn't miss entirely as he flipped when I shot him the first time and took off when I shot again. There was only blood for the about the first 50 yards or so
 
Sounds like a marginal hit with the wrong shot. 'T' shot is .20" diameter with 36 of 'em(depending on the brand) to an ounce and isn't big enough. 'T' shot is for geese, not Wiley.
 
my guess is,,, it is going somewhere,,,after you stopped chasing it,,,,lay down and never get up

i bet those T shot went right through it(steel has a way of doing that),,,you found blood for the first 50yrds or so,,,bleeding internally,,,when it lays down it will more than likely bleed out and expire

my .02

ocharry
 
I've shot several coyotes with heavy loads of #2 or #4 shot (before the state outlawed #2 for turkey hunting). Regardless, I NEVER killed a coyote outright with either size shot even though the animals for solidly hit.
For instance, I shot a coyote that passed by during a turkey hunt, hitting it well within the "dead turkey zone" 30-35 yards. We watched in amazement as the yotie ran off but about 200 yards away, Mr. Yotie started to wobble and then toppled over.
 
I'd bet the 'yote was more than 30 yards off. I have killed quite a few 'yotes during turkey season using turkey loads....all of them were within 25 yards. Anything farther out than that, either rolled and got up and/or bit at their side like they had been stung by bees and ran off never to be seen again.
 
T-shot,

Since we're all guessing, mine is that your improvised shooting position from the window goobered up your cheek weld/gun mount, and you either shot high or low, fringing the critter. Who knows. An odd shooting position can mess up hit probability, even with a shotgun.

While a humane kill is a desired objective in a hunt, I do not see this circumstance in the same light as a game animal and fair chase. That 'yote was not there for a cup of coffee and share your morning paper. He was there for your wife's poodle, your daughters cat, your chicken house, etc. I nearly lost a full grown lab, 90-100 lb male, to a 'yote pack. My vet bill to stitch him up was nearly $500 bucks. Happened across the lane from my house in the dark, not 100 yds away. A single 'yote howled, he left the yard after it, and the pack was waiting. No sympathy for a maurading coyote, and any law that does not let me deal with it on my place, from my bedroom window or other, is a bad one.

Regards T-shot. There was a comment that coyote needed bigger pellets. T-shot is plenty for coyotes at 30 yds, even with steel. The OP mentions a 3" load of steel Tshot. T-shot steel comes 52 +/- pellets to the oz. Not 36. A standard 3" load of Tshot steel will be 1-1/4 oz. That's 60+ pellets of the stuff. And to put .20" dia in perspective, that is bigger (and heavier) than a steel BB your Red Ryder used to shoot. Traveling what........1200-1300+ fps at the muzzle? No way Wiley T. is gonna survive a load of that, centered at 30 yds from a suitably choked gun. We don't know the choke of the gun, (OP may have used his stubby HD gun) and the distance of the shot in question is up for debate, but you do not need larger buck shot to kill coyotes at shotgun distances.

In fact, my own experience with large buck, (OO buck is what I have shot the most) is that much beyond 40 yds, the patterns thin to the degree that getting sufficient number of hits on a deer, or even an IDPA torso type target, much less a target as small and spindly as a 'yote, is a role of the dice. Even #4 buck, (.24 dia, and 27 pellets to a 1-1/4 oz load) is pretty thin past 35 yds, especially if the choke is on the open side and with a simple bead sight.
 
bamaranger said:
While a humane kill is a desired objective in a hunt, I do not see this circumstance in the same light as a game animal and fair chase. That 'yote was not there for a cup of coffee and share your morning paper. He was there for your wife's poodle, your daughters cat, your chicken house, etc. I nearly lost a full grown lab, 90-100 lb male, to a 'yote pack. My vet bill to stitch him up was nearly $500 bucks. Happened across the lane from my house in the dark, not 100 yds away. A single 'yote howled, he left the yard after it, and the pack was waiting. No sympathy for a maurading coyote, and any law that does not let me deal with it on my place, from my bedroom window or other, is a bad one.
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IMHO, all of God's creatures deserves a quick and humane death....even 'yotes. Coyotes are not the the evil creatures of the night than folks make them out to be. They, like any other predator, are just doing what comes natural to them and what they need to do to survive. Bald eagles will hunt and kill your wife's poodle too....should we gut shoot them and let them fly off to suffer a long and painful death just because the good Lord made them a predator? Anyone that allows their pets to roam freely/chase coyotes is just as much at fault as any coyote, when the pet comes back injured(if it comes back at all). Anyone that enjoys the fact that any animal is going to suffer a long and painful death is not right in the head.
 
Agreed

Any animal deserves to be put down quickly and humanely.

I once watched a Coyote stalk and eat a rabbit from my bedroom window one morning early. Would not dream of shooting in my subdivision, heck it was in Kalifornia, I'd probably still be in jail.

Pretty amazing watching that yote stalk and kill the rabbit. One pounce, rabbit in jaws, down the hatch. Yes entire rabbit in one "gulp" he tipped his head back and down it went. Bet the rabbit was still kicking in his belly.
 
You probably would have seen success using 0-0 buck verses steel T shot. One thing is certain the yote won't die of lead poising. Few days to heal those entrance wounds. He'll be as good as new.
 
personal

We went pretty quickly from my comment regards what I thought of a state law in Montanna and a non game animal here in AL, to accusations on my beliefs, morals, willingness to violate the Bald Eagle Protection Act, and being an irresponsible dog owner.

Done on this one.
 
I have a friend who shoots them from aircraft. He swears by 3" T shot. The "heavi-shot" dead coyote loads might be better, but he uses steel.

I have killed them with 12 & 20ga #7 1/2 shot at 10 yards. Didn't shoot through them, but loaded their lungs with lead sure enough. I dont remember if I shot them again, but we did it several times.

If I had to guess, I'd have to say the hits must've been marginal. 3" #4 buck gives 41 pellets to the shell, but you gotta pattern buck from various chokes, as it is not always true that "fuller patterns tighter" like it is with bird shot. "00" buck often patterns better from cylinder bore yhan a full choke, for instance.
 
...and FWIW, I think it is perfectly legal in Montana, to shoot from your occupied dwelling.

As regards night hunting, i.e. spotlighting in the Big Sky, it is only legal for "a landowner or his/her agent. Weapons allowed are shotguns, with shot no larger than #6, or a club."

Still, in defense of your property (dogs, cats chickens, etc.), I am not sure the weapon restriction applies, as you weren't actually spotlighting/predator hunting.

I am not a lawyer, I could be dead wrong. Be sure to consult FWP or your own attorney before spotlighting. The above information was given to me by Montana fwp,, but that was 20 something years ago.
 
You're probably in a better position to answer the question than anyone else.

Put up a big sheet of cardboard or paper and take a few shots at it using the same shotgun/load at the distance in question and see what the patterns look like.
 
"Coyotes are not the the evil creatures of the night than folks make them out to be. "

Do you have livestock???
 
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