Al Mondroca
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartholomew Roberts:
For that matter, we need to stop treating the police as the adversary in RKBA causes in general.
Most of the cops I know are very supportive of the RKBA. Why go looking for enemies by using things like a pig icon or starting a conversation like that?[/quote]
I disagree. When it comes to being unreasonably questioned, searched and/or arrested under unconstitutional laws, the police ARE our enemies. Anyone enforcing such laws is my enemy, no matter how he rationalizes his enforcement of them. If he truly believes in those laws, he is my enemy; if he doesn't believe in them, but enforces them anyhow, he's no better than those _other_ uniformed fellows in the 1940s who were "just following orders".
I have not seen a lot of conscientious objectors to the War on Drugs among the police--and thus have little or no confidence that they'll be any less eager to enforce unconstitutional laws against guns.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Any kind of civil disobedience reaction to gun laws is going to require participation and goodwill from law enforcement. We only hurt ourselves by such exclusionary tactics.[/quote]
Not if their "support" consists of lip service alone. Besides, even if LEO Fred is pro-2nd Amendment, unless I am personally well acquainted with Fred, I can't be expected to know that. Even if I do know that, I can't be sure that Fred's self-interest (keeping his job, getting promoted, staying out of trouble himself) won't override his principles when push comes to shove. If he enforces the bad laws, his bosses will approve. If he doesn't, he could be disciplined, fired, even arrested and tried and convicted.
With that kind of pressure on him, it is only prudent to act on the old military dictum that you don't plan for what you think the enemy (or the cops) will do, you plan for what they CAN do. And a cop--even good old Fred--can destroy my life if I don't assume the worst. Which means, avoid him whenever possible, refuse to answer questions of any kind, refuse to cooperate with him.
The whole point of a uniform is to show solidarity, to demonstrate that you are one of many with a common cause. If the people giving the men in the uniforms orders are my enemies, its perfectly reasonable to assume that everyone wearing that uniform is _also_ my enemy.
For that matter, we need to stop treating the police as the adversary in RKBA causes in general.
Most of the cops I know are very supportive of the RKBA. Why go looking for enemies by using things like a pig icon or starting a conversation like that?[/quote]
I disagree. When it comes to being unreasonably questioned, searched and/or arrested under unconstitutional laws, the police ARE our enemies. Anyone enforcing such laws is my enemy, no matter how he rationalizes his enforcement of them. If he truly believes in those laws, he is my enemy; if he doesn't believe in them, but enforces them anyhow, he's no better than those _other_ uniformed fellows in the 1940s who were "just following orders".
I have not seen a lot of conscientious objectors to the War on Drugs among the police--and thus have little or no confidence that they'll be any less eager to enforce unconstitutional laws against guns.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Any kind of civil disobedience reaction to gun laws is going to require participation and goodwill from law enforcement. We only hurt ourselves by such exclusionary tactics.[/quote]
Not if their "support" consists of lip service alone. Besides, even if LEO Fred is pro-2nd Amendment, unless I am personally well acquainted with Fred, I can't be expected to know that. Even if I do know that, I can't be sure that Fred's self-interest (keeping his job, getting promoted, staying out of trouble himself) won't override his principles when push comes to shove. If he enforces the bad laws, his bosses will approve. If he doesn't, he could be disciplined, fired, even arrested and tried and convicted.
With that kind of pressure on him, it is only prudent to act on the old military dictum that you don't plan for what you think the enemy (or the cops) will do, you plan for what they CAN do. And a cop--even good old Fred--can destroy my life if I don't assume the worst. Which means, avoid him whenever possible, refuse to answer questions of any kind, refuse to cooperate with him.
The whole point of a uniform is to show solidarity, to demonstrate that you are one of many with a common cause. If the people giving the men in the uniforms orders are my enemies, its perfectly reasonable to assume that everyone wearing that uniform is _also_ my enemy.