What the hell is being said here?

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James E. Spoken like a defender at Concord.

Apple a Day. There are a lot of good cops out there. There are also far too many that run rampant over the people and laws they are sworn to protect. If you are one of the good ones, please help eliminate the terroristic rif raf in your profession.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Practice head shots at the range?

My, my - does your range have dynamic moving targets where you move and the target moves as you wield your long arm or handgun?

You can't miss at twenty ft with a long arm?
Right - people do all the time.

Just for the commando crowd - a competent dynamic entry team is going to kill you.


Let's say you are upstairs and you here the door crash in and you come down the stairs.
You die.

Let's say you are in the master bedroom
on the first floor and you charge out of the bedroom at the intruders, you die.

Perhaps, if you had some warning and could set up - you might have some impact, otherwise you are blowing smoke.

In fact, hearing the break in, you could hunker down in the safe room. But probably, you are just shaking the sleep out of your eyes when you are swarmed.

Can your doors resist a team long enough for you to set up?

So who here is charging the entry team?
If not, what is your tactical move?

You are looking at three or 4 MP-5s and
some 12 gauges. MP-5s are might fun to shoot - I wouldn't want to be at the other end of a set, wearing my shorts and carrying an SKS.

Before you continue to chest pound, let's hear your fortification scheme and tactical planning for a raid by a competent team.



[This message has been edited by Glenn E. Meyer (edited June 15, 2000).]
 
I sympathize with Apple a Day, but how do I didtinguish Apple a Day from FBI Special Agent Horiuchi acting in his official duty as a federal law enforcement officer when my houe is broken into in a no knock raid in the middle of the night?.
How do I know I will be absoluteky safe if SA Horiuch and some of his friends are at my door with official FBI shoot to kill orders?
THere is an old US Army antiaircraft saying about what you do when you are being bombed and straffed by unidentified aircraft who may be "friendly". It goes "Shoot them all down and sort them out on the ground."
 
My house is not bulletproof so any return fire would get me. I wouldn't get into a firefight expecting to survive.

I do, however, hope and intend to be more trouble than my ancestors who got to see the inside of Soviet and nazi camps. If I am very lucky I might get one on my way out. If I hear multiple intruders, I might just open up though sheetrock with a 30-06 and hope to get a lucky hit.

The point is not that I expect to survive a concerted assault by ten co-called-LEOs. It is that I would react the same to any assualt because I have no way to tell who's attacking and also because I expect no mercy even if I surrender. I simply do not have any trust for thugs who drop in at 4am with flashbangs. So, for me it is the 3% chance of taking an escort to Valhalla that I strive for. Besides, either the intruders are freelances and fair game or they are rogue govt. reps in which case they are also fair game as are the people who sent them. Honest govt. reps, if such exist, wouldn't attack in force when I have made a point of being veeeery law-abiding.

Oleg

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To Appleaday and all those cops who feel like we are picking on you...BS! I think its pretty plain what I've stated. Do you duty as others have had to, and no GD unwarranted house calls on innocent citizenry. Now wipe those horse turd size tears and get on with your noble job. And I will think very highly of you and your profession.

James
 
Cops are generally worthless. They don't deter crime nor prevent it. There are never cops when the crime goes down but 20 or 30 of them after the fact. They are asked to do a crappy a%% job and that's generally the way they do it. Dealing with the punks of society certainly would not be something worth the daily grind they face. The legal system is generally worthless as they neither punish nor reform. While we need a police force to keep general order, like stopping the hooligans in Central Park, as a crime fighting machine I can protect myself better than they could. Nor will I ask them too.
 
Innocents do get killed in mistaken identity
no-knocks. Happens all the time. You also have the situations of Waco, and the Weaver family. I forget who said this but they said if a dynamic entry team wanted you you would be dead. What about Waco? If the Davidians had wanted to, they could have cleaned out the ATF agents who had to walk out with their hands in the air! I'm no armchair commando, I am an officer, and if someone kicked in my door, thy are catching rounds. My family means too much to me. And guarantee I'm not rushing out anywhere, they can come get me and mine.

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Thread has degenerated.

Lights out.

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited June 15, 2000).]
 
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