What The British Thought Of Patriot - OR - Eat This

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Mike H

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I figured the British deserve a right to reply over the latest travesty of history, yes thats right, that fine piece of movie garbage "The Patriot". This is taken from a British newspaper, be warned it's lengthy.

I just can't wait for the new Mel Gibson film The Sheep Farmer.
Gibson plays Carlos Maradona, a hunky peace loving Argentine sheep farmer whose Eden-like island, Los Malvinas is invaded by cruel British soldiers who molest his sheep and murder his wife. Or is it the other way round ? I can't remember. Which just goes to show that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.And those who are so thick that they never knew any history in the first place are condemned to watch Mel Gibson films.

Truly, what a docile bunch we British must be to allow Hollywood to spoon feed us a piece of glossy garbage like Mel Gibson's The Patriot. Heaven knows, we are accustomed to seeing Tinseltown portray the Brits as a bunch of sadists, rapists, bullies, braggarts and mincing woofters.

Where would films as diverse as Titanic, Last Of The Mohicans, Rob Roy, Michael Collins and Braveheart be without their cruel, cowardly British bad guys ? The British are the new Germans and a British accent - or rather an English accent - is now convenient shorthand for the evil that men do. But The Patriot goes considerably further than the rest.

THIS IS A film that depicts the British as Nazis. Not cinematic bad guys. Not naughty men. But real child-burning, ethnic cleansing, mass murdering fascists. And you have to wonder why we take it. Released on July 4th in the US, The Patriot is a big, dumb epic about the American War Of Independance. Mel Gibson was paid $25 million to play a man of peace who takes up arms against the dastardly British. How's that for a fat cat ? And gee Mom, are those Brits dastardly. They shoot children in the back. They execute prisoners. Worst of all, they cram scores of women and children into a church and then burn them alive. Except it never happened. According to one American historian, the only time British soldiers burned a town in the War Of Independance, the houses were all empty. In the words of Richard Snow, editor of American Heritage magazine - "Of course it never happened - if it had, do you think Americans would have forgotten it ? It could have kept us out of the First World War."

The church burning atrocity in The Patriot is not pure fiction. This terrible war crime did happen, but it was committed by the Waffen SS in the French village of Oradour on June 10, 1944 when 642 people were forced into a church and burned alive. Of these 205 were children. This is the reality behind The Patriot, a film that insults not only the people of this country but all the victims of the Nazis.

There is the real human misery behind Mel Gibson's laughable heroics, and the chippy, sawn off little shortarse should be deeply ashamed of himself. You could argue that The Patriot is just a piece of big budget trash from the Hollywood dream machine and its uncertain grasp on history doesn't matter a damn. Sure little Melvin Cheeseburger III will see The Patriot at his local multiplex in Idaho and believe that the British really did commit those war crimes. But who cares what the popcorn munching morons of America choose to believe ?

Well, we should care. Because Hollywood's depiction of the British has gone way beyond showing us as pantomime bad guys. Mel Gibson and friends are teliing lies about history, lies that are malicious and dangerous. If a generation grows up believing that the crimes of Nazi Germany were nothing special - that the British did exactly the same thing in their numerous wars - then we are allowing our own history to be thrown on a bonfire. The Irish would not keep quiet if someone made a film saying they brought the potato famine on themselves. The Jewish community would not remain silent if someone made a film saying that the Holocaust never happened. So will the British boycott The Patriot ? Will we deface those giant billboards where Mel smoulders and pouts. Fat chance.

The British will meekly queue up to see hunky old Mel showing them to be indistinguishable from Nazis. Which is bitterly ironic as in 1940 and 1941, one nation stood absolutely alone against the might of Nazi Germany. And guess what, Mel ? It wasn't America.

Although it probably will be in your next film.


Like I said, eat that.

Mike H
 
.....and they ran thru the briars and they ran thru the brambles and they ran thru the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go, they ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch em, on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. :D

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
Many of us find it "ironic" that the England which stood up to Hitler is in its present sorry state. The English will apparently "meekly queue up" for damn near anything. As for history, it is always written by the victors. I've read accounts that are at variance with the author's.

It's like lining up the deck chairs on the Titanic as it sinks for this author to complain that U.S. movies are causing England's world reputation to deteriorate.

Ledbetter
 
Gee, I guess maybe they are starting to understand how American gunowners might feel about being demonized by not only their media but our own!
Doubt if they see the connection.
 
In my best Ronald Coleman accent...There will always be an England because we am what we am. Sorry, that slipped into my Popeye accent. Ask the Scotts and the Irish if they ever had any dealings with the English Kings and noble men. Does the word imperialisum ever ring a bell...India, Africa etc, etc.
 
It's not PC to say it; but I have trouble imagining Europe being any worse off if Hitler had kept his military gains.

This is not denigrating those who defeated him; but those ruling today. What individual freeom is recognized in Europe today? Heavy taxation/redistribution of the wealth, disarmed populace, industries so controlled by govt. that it really IS fascism anyway.


Battler.
 
DorGunR,
"We fired out cannon 'till the barrel melted down, and we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round. We filled his head with cannonbals and powdered his behind, and when we touched the powder of the gator lost his mind!"

Sometimes I wonder if anyone but me has heard of Johnny Horton.

I also like "Here's to old Jim Bridger"
 
Yeah, Battler. Europe is pretty well stuck in its old world ways. Klinton's gang of bully boys would love to copy cat their tried and proven methods of domination. Its going to be interesting in the next four years, I expect the world to under go some very radical changes...and hopefully this nation sheeple will wake up. Boy, that snoring sound is getting louder and louder isn't it.
 
Well I guess if the movie was total fiction then the history channel last night was allso fiction.Good 1 hr on the British in the revolutionary and was very close to the movie.Told of attrosities on both sides but most on the british sides.Murder,rape and torture was quite common tactics used by British solders to intimate Americans.
As for England standing alone?Manpower wise how about the Canadians and Austrailians.Bet the are real happy about being left out.Allso the amount of lend lease that England got and by the way still owes us for sure made a difference I would think.

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I'm old and deceitful.
 
There are a couple of differences - people Australia and Europe are more submissive - at least SOME in America seem outraged by what's happening.

Basically, with a submissive/PC/pussified population the brutality of BATF etc. is not required, and police abuses are limited to where they're usually not publicized.


I mean, there wouldn't have been a WACO if you didn't have a couple hundred people who were inclined "stockpile guns" now would you?

You wouldn't have the extreme harassment of machine gun dealers/NFA weapon inclined people if instead of being grandfathered they were outlawed outright and noone in the populace would dream of having such weapons, now, would you?


Battler.
 
Frontsight, ckurts.
How about "North to Alaska"

Yeah, I was a BIG Johnny Horton fan. :)

Take care

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
"We slipped beside our cotton bales and didn't say a word."

"Old hick'ry said we could take them by surprise if we all held our fire 'til we looked 'em in the eyes."

Can't remember much more. That sure takes me back to my redneck youth though. Funny the stuff that sticks with you though.

As far as this POS article: (GASP) you mean that there were atrocities commited during war?!?!?!?!?

This "Clean War" myth should have been dispelled years ago. We kind of cling to it for some reason. We probably killed 40,000 Iraqi civilians during our last "good war." Wonder if we'll ever own up to that? People do bad things during war. That's what war is, people doing bad things to other people.
 
You don't have to live in Hollywood to make a movie. If the Brits don't like Patriot, they can make their own version. (Not that it would make any money in the US, I sure in he!! wouldn't see it).
Of course a movie about the US Revolution made in the US is going to show the United States favorably.
The men who died fighting the war won their (and our) rights back from a despotic government. That is not fiction.

BTW, I remember Johnny Horton, too. Too bad the album's at my parents' house in PRK, or I'd have to listen to it now! :)
 
Mike, that guy that wrote that bitter pill is wallowing in his own mess kit. That bit at the end calling Americans cheeze burger munching morons...and Briton facing the evil Nazi onslaught during 1940 to 41...what a gargoyle breathe of hogwash. If America, and I repeat America didn't go over there with lend lease and then send its own flesh and blood to be ripped to pieces in the skys over Europe during daylight bombing raids, they would today be speaking German for sure. We also probably help spread a little DNA around to help their future population. What ticks me off is our civilian population over here sent tons of privately owned firearms and ammo for Britains home defense against Nazi invasion fears. We never got one damn gun back from those blokes, and I heard most of them got dumped into the Irish sea after the war. How do you like that.
 
I haven't seen the movie, as it hasn't been released over here yet, and I do like poking fun at West London fops.

But the article Mike posted is well written and sounds to me like a legitimate historical gripe. I was surprised, because usually British media-tripesters write snide and condescending crap about anything American.

BTW, I'm trying to invent a word that blends "fop," "brit," "brat," and "twit."

Any ideas?

Also, it was the Royal Navy that delivered American industrial might to the Russians, who tore the guts out of the Germans.

That's why we call it a World War. Everyone played a part.

We tend to forget that the Russians lost some 20,000,000 people to those bastards, and that China shared a similar fate at the hands of the Japanese.




[This message has been edited by Munro Williams (edited July 18, 2000).]
 
Hehe! Talk about your ungrateful bastards. And what would these Mighty Brits have wished us to do...stayed out of WWII and then just nuked the whole lot of them when the Nazis finally overran all of Europe? Hmmmm.

If the Brits had any balls, they'd still have their guns. Who gives a rat's @ss what they think?
 
Something like - "We loaded up a gator and powdered his behind - when we set the powder off the gator lost it's mind"

I'm going to search for a Johnny Horton's greatest hits CD.

I guess we've gotten a little off topic, but it is in the general theme of British idiocy.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>According to one American historian, the only time British soldiers burned a town in the War Of Independance, the houses were all empty.[/quote]

Give me two days and a Snickers bar, and I could find 'one American historian' with the facts to prove the world is flat, or the the Holocaust never happened, or that Iceland is actually Atlantis.

Don't make it so, though.

LawDog
 
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