What state is best for gun owners

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oberkommando

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I would like opinions as to what state you think is best for gun rights without regard for employment opportunities. I have thought Idaho is one of best if not best, their state constitution is very clear about infringing or restricting.

My state of Kali is infested with liberal freaks and One day I would like to escape to another state with a few like minded individuals I know. Perhaps Frisco and LA will slide into the pacific and foat over to china after a major quake, oh to dream.

I've given up on this states judicial system to ever follow the Constitution. There's a time for bilge pumps and a time for life boats.

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The beauty of the second Amendment is that it is not needed until they try to take it. T JEFFERSON

Do you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. We're after power and we mean it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breakings laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted-and you create a nation of law breakers--and then you cash in on guilt.

A RAND
 
Well, Washington is relatively good. We have a shall issue CCW system, and a very liberal one at that.

No license required to buy any gun, just to carry a handgun. Only handguns purchased through a dealer have to be registered. No other registration schemes. No restrictions on private party sales. State preemption of all firearms laws.

If you have to smoke someone in self defense, you are unlikely to be prosecuted. We have had some "questionable" self defense shootings around here in the past few years, and no one has been prosecuted.

We don't have open carry, and we do have a ban on ownership of full auto guns, but other than that it's pretty good.

I must say I, however, that I see us going the way of California in the next 10 to 20 years. Just like the rest of the country.

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“The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals. ... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.” -Alexander Addison, 1789


[This message has been edited by deanf (edited November 13, 1999).]
 
Thanks for late night reply Deanf I know this disease of liberalism is spreading and ya cant run forever, I just need a little more time before I stop running.

Have a friend who has one of his evil guns up there in moses lake, its too evil for kali. So private party transfers are paperless up there?
 
Although I live in New Jersey, I think the best state would be Vermont. NO permit to purchase or carry. Even someone from out of state can carry concealed without "papers".

Quite a climate change from California. But a lot less riffraf also.
 
Paperz? Vhat paperz?

Yes, private party transfers are paperless. I don't think they are even addressed in the state laws.

If you'd like to review the laws, go to access.wa.gov, find the link for RCWs (Revised Code of Washington) and look under Title 9, Firearms.

Also, there are very few restrictions on where you can CCW. Basically it's courthouses, and the restricted access areas of jails and police facilities, or any place a police prisoner might be held. If you have occasion to visit these facilities, they must check your gun for you, and they are responsible financially if anything happens to your piece while it's in their custody. There are no laws addressing CCW on private property, but that also means that any private property owner could eject you if they didn't like CCW.

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The biggest and best state of the United States (not just for guns) is Texas!!! Low prices on guns, great gun shows, shall issue CHL's, good climate (but stay away from the panhandle, I think it might be part of Oklahoma), statewide pre-emption law, all Class III items are legal to have, lethal force is justified in many instances to protect personal and real property (you can even shoot taggers at night), a knife under 5.5" is legal to carry open or concealed, any firearm other than a handgun may be carried open or concealed, loaded or empty, without a permit (if it is a machine gun, SBR, or SBS you better have the tax stamp).
 
Up in Alaska, my cousin lets his kids shoot the Texas size guns while the adults carry and shoot the regular ones (too much power for the tykes).

Alaska, Florida, Texas, Arizona, Nevada are all very liberal (the good kind) about guns and the ownership thereof. The one a month BS here in VA and the fact that the state pre-emption laws are ignored by some incorporated cities make this state a C+ to B- by my reckoning.
 
Ouch Jeff OTMG, us Okies do have a reciprocal agreement with Texas on CCW :). You, your gun, and Texas plates are welcome in my town. Some numbers I just pulled from the OSBI web page: (Bear in mind the Republic of Texas has had a CCW law in place longer than us.) Total permits:27,673 Denied:258(0.01%) Pending:2,138 Avg Age:48 Pct. in rural areas:68.47% Agree on the panhandle though. My two years in Amarillo weren't a highlight.
 
Vermont, if you can tolerate the snow and the barren trees for six months of the year. The bright side is that you're close to Springfield, Massachusetts (Springfield Armory National Historic Site, S&W, S&W Academy, Indian Motorcycle Museum, Saratoga Battlefield, Fort William Henry and Ticonderoga, Fort Stanwick, Fort Oswego and Oriskany Battlefield all in NY, Maple Syrup and an abundence of Bullwinkle (just don't hit one in your car).

No CCW required there. If you're a citizen of the US (and not necessarily VT), you can carry.

As they say in Vermont, "Welcome to Vermont...now Go Home!" (My friend who is a cop there told me that one).

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I must second what JeffOTMG said about us Texans. It's a place like no other! We also have reciprocity agreements with AR, AZ, and LA. There are about 190,000 CCW's (190,001 now :) ) in TX and only 758 have been revoked after 4 years.

Libertarian, why don't VA citizens smack those cities upside the head for ignoring the state's pre-emption laws? That's unconscionable...

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"Liberty or death, What we so proudly hail... Once you provoke Her, rattling of Her tail- Never begins it, NEVER- But once engaged never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage. DON'T TREAD ON ME!!
 
Living in Vermont, shoot all winter indoor matches, snow is not so bad (BS), no real crime, carry all the time, just not in the courthouses.

Snowed today, was 8 F Thursday morning, don't buy Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream 'cause they support anti-gun leg. with corp. $.

The temp swings are great for ammo testing, though........guns, too.

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Well Darthmaum, I was a coplaintiff on a case that went to the VA Supreme court this summer against the City of Alexandria. We lost on appeal.The city has the right to ban CCW from all city property. Now they have to catch me, but if they do, I am some deep doo doo because I do know better. ;)
 
Libertarian, better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.

Thanks you guys for all the replys.

Jeff OTMG, sound like I'll have to a least visit Texas, as to biggest I'll have to give that to Alaska, thanks for the info I was looking for.
 
I am very familiar with Oklahoma, I grew up there. I just turned in my Oklahoma drivers license earlier this year and my truck and 3 of the motorcycles still have Oklahoma plates. In fact I even wrote your concealed carry legislation. At least the first version of it back in 1985. Frank Sherdan from Henrietta was the Senator I worked with but also got Gaylon Stacey and Mark Snyder to co sponsor it. The President of the Senate from Skiatook keep sending it to committee every year and wouldn't let it out. I think he finally died. We tried going through the house first one year, passed 99-5(I think), then got tied up in the Senate committee again. I left in 1991, but Sherdan kept it up. The final version that passed was not mine, but you can still find bits and pieces that I put in.

I figured someone from Alaska would chime in and try to claim to be bigger. Down here in Texas we all know that Alaska is mostly ice and if you melted it Texas would be bigger. Besides, I said United States, Alaska isn't united with the rest of us, Canada is in the way. Alaska was up there to keep Russians from getting the rest of us, lord knows the Canadians wouldn't stop them. :)
 
Jeff OTMG, you "wrote" the OK concealed carry legislation? Wow! Well all I can say is you have to listen to all of my complaints about what is screwed up about it then! :)
 
I live in Indiana, we are a shall issue state, and we also have good reciprocity agreements with other states. The bad part is, Illinois, and Ohio sucks for gun owners. No carry provision in those states. Kentucky to the south and Michigan to the north allow some carry for Indiana permit holders. Our permits cost 10 bucks at the local constabulatory for prints and papers, and 15 bucks sent to the state. The permits the first time take about 6 weeks to get and renewal every 4 years. My renewal only took about a week and a half and is a small, easy to laminate document. I don't mind the state making a little dough for their effort. The only thing is, a fella shouldn't need a document at all to do something the Constitution says he can do anyway.

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My adopted state of Georgia ain't too bad.

Just stay away from the city of Atlanta.

Shall issue CCW, but w/a few vague restrictions, good prices on weapons, a fair number of places to shoot and GA was the first state to pass the law making it illeagle for cities to sue gun mfgs.

Too bad it was after Atlanta filed thier suit.

C'mon down, I've found most folks are pretty receptive to gun owners (even yankees like me)!

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