What state has the most in depth CC course requirements

Georgia

To get my concealed carry permit here in Georgia I go to the county courthouse, fill out some paperwork, give them $30 cash. Then I go to the county detention center to be fingerprinted and give them $50 cash.

I am not sure whether it is mailed or printed off then and there. Probably mailed to me a short time later.

Its a pretty easy process to get your CCP here in Georgia. No class is required, I guess they trust that if you are going to carry concealed here, you know how to use your firearm responsibly.
 
WA and PA have no government mandated training requirement. Not a prohibited person? Fill out the brief app, Plop down $52.25 ($36 renewal) in WA, $20 in PA, and wait from 0-30 days, but no more than 30 days. (unless you are a non-resident)
 
Texas: It's about the Benjamins

I've been through the initial license and the renewal in Texas. The classroom for the initial license was all day--a long day--but frankly I've learned more from just reading on my own the State of Texas material. At the end of the day was the range test. In my class there were a few people with very little experience and a couple who had not previously shot a handgun. Yet everyone passed the shooting test. Every single person.

When I went for my renewal, the half day class was plenty. A couple of us had questions--about 3006 and other no-carry places. At noon the range test, at least two guys there had not fired a gun since their last CHL range test. One really old guy (no offense, I'm 66 myself) had a Glock with a 30-rd mag sticking out the bottom. The way he was swinging that thing around scared the heck out of me (and the instructor). At the first shooting station (maybe 3 yards?), he (the old guy) remarked about my shooting "Hey! Somebody's been practicing!" The test is so easy that halfway through, the instructor told me quietly "You already have enough points. You're just shooting for fun now." I am not an expert shot.

My point? There's a fat fee to the State of Texas, a charge for the CHL class, and a fingerprint company collecting some cash. Is the license about safety, handgun competence, or what? It's about money, of course? Lots of money to lots of people. I used to be a CPA (now retired status). It required a $210 annual license and 40 hours of continuing education. It's about money.

If gun owners would agree to an annual gun safety awareness tax (I won't) to the federal government of $50 per handgun or bolt action rifle and $100 per semi-auto rifle, all the gun banning talk would end. Prohibition went away (even though it took another constitutional amendment) and became a major revenue source for all kinds of taxing authorities, even though alcohol and drunks kill more people than M-16's did in Vietnam--and those rifles had full auto switches.

At least that's what I think.
 
Massachusetts requires 8 hours if I remember correctly with an open book written test at the end. We did a bunch of live fire practice but there was no scoring of any kind. I took the course through an NRA instructor, the good thing about the NRA course is it is recognized in all 50 states. Meaning if you move to another state you will not have to retake a course to apply for a license. Cost an extra $20 compared to others but it was worth it IMO.

Not to belabor the point unnecessarily, but where in the Second Amendment does it say anything about "... the right of the People (who pass a test) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? My version must be defective, because my copy doesn't mention classes as a prerequisite to exercising a right.
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Not everyone grew up in a gun family where there fathers or grandfathers taught them to shoot since they were able to pick up a rifle. Would you rather there be gun owners out there without any formal firearm saftey training of any kind?
 
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Michigan CPL

Requires 8 hours of range/classroom time including time with the lawyers. You currently have to qualify at 7 yds with 30 rounds. However, as of May 1st the requirement is going up to 92 rounds.

On another note they also did away with pistol purchase permits and went to a straight NICS only system. As well as making rifle purchases available to out of state ID holders as of 12/18/12.
 
Please....we've been through this. There is an abundant history of distrust and acceptance of regulation for the act of carrying a concealed weapon in this country.

Does the RKBA extend outside the home? Yes, but most state constitutions have provisions regulating it, and those have stood for over 200 years in most cases. One would have a hard time arguing that such a thing as so-called "constitutional carry" really exists, except perhaps in a militia context.

The subject of this thread is in the title. If we want to debate whether it's a good idea for states to mandate training, start another thread.
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Sounds like an excellent poll idea.Will do. :cool:
 
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Other states, such as Pennsylvania, require only a background check. I don't know of any statistics showing that Pennsylvania has a significantly higher per capita incidence of negligent discharges by CCW holders than Texas, so I'm forced to conclude that Texas is simply gouging Texans by unnecessarily requiring a more expensive and complicated qualification than what's needed to accomplish the purpose.
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WA, PA only require fingerprints and BC for CC, nothing for OC. VT requires nothing...anything more is a "poll tax" and an elitest Jim Crow law.

As much as those that have taken, or must take, courses to be able to carry, there are no specific statistics that show WA, PA or VT are more dangerous that say NM, which has unlicensed open carry, but for a CC license the requirements are a bit overboard (IMHO)

Actually, for reported ND's that I heard about in WA last year? Cops 3, CPL holder 1. Cops have more manditory training every year than an state requires for a carry license, yet, in a state with no manditory training for our CPL (and there are almost 400,000 active CPL's in WA, and an unknown number of people that carry (legally) without a license) there was one reported NG discharge. I do not know how many LEO's are in WA but I would bet it is less than 400,000
 
Actually, for reported ND's that I heard about in WA last year? Cops 3, CPL holder 1. Cops have more manditory training every year than an state requires for a carry license, yet, in a state with no manditory training for our CPL (and there are almost 400,000 active CPL's in WA, and an unknown number of people that carry (legally) without a license) there was one reported NG discharge. I do not know how many LEO's are in WA but I would bet it is less than 400,000
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In 2008,the State of Washington had 174 sworn Police Officers for every 100,000 residents. See this survey:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/csllea08.pdf

There were more than 300 full-time
sworn personnel per 100,000 residents
in the District of Columbia (722), Louisiana
(405), New Jersey (389), New York
(341), Illinois (321), and Wyoming (317)
(figure 4).

In contrast, there were fewer
than 200 full-time sworn personnel per
100,000 residents in Washington (174),
Utah (175), Oregon (177), Vermont
(178), Kentucky (183), Minnesota (185),
West Virginia (186), Alaska (189),
Michigan (190), Iowa (195), and Maine
(195). (See appendix table 6 for stateby-
state agency and employee counts.)
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Kentucky requires an eight hour class that includes lecture time, written test, and range time with a score of 11 hits out of 20 shots at the 7 yard line.

I think the training is especially good because it teaches you the law about where you can / can't carry and under what circumstances you may / may not use deadly force. Well worth the time and money.
 
Ok Coyote, that would mean there are somewhere around 35k officers in WA.. Last specific number I heard on CPL's was 395k+ and going up at about 4000 a week.

Warrior, There is also unlicensed OC in KY, Can you tell me if unlicensed OC people in KY have more problems that licensed CC people? I don't think so.

What is it about a government mandate that one size fits all, makes it good? In WA it is your responsibility to know the law. They had you a bulletin that has all of the firearm laws and safety tips. It is what is used in hunter safety training, and tell you...you need to know what is in this, study it.

Requiring individual responsibility usually generates individual responsibility. Yes, it is YOUR responsibility to know the laws..even if you take a week's instruction...it is still YOUR responsibility. In WA no-one can say, "but my firearms instructor did not teach us THAT".
 
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So getting back to the original question, which was "What state has the most in depth CC course requirements?" ... is there any doubt that Texas wins the prize?
 
So getting back to the original question, which was "What state has the most in depth CC course requirements?" ... is there any doubt that Texas wins the prize?
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None. The bottom of the proverbial barrel. A disgrace for the Lone Star State. And that rhymes. Wow! :rolleyes: And OC still just can't quite get through. :(

And an additional bonus: Take the 49'ers and give the 3.5 Sunday. :)
San Francisco fan since 1957. So caveat emptor.;)
 
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