...some complain about the increased cost to not have illegal aliens for hire...some insist Wal-Mart is too good a bagain to not have around...is that what today's generations are courageous for..entitlements will bankrupt us..but too few are willing to sacrifice for the preservation of our country...such a generation could NEVER have won a major war, nor form this kind of governement..better think about what you are saying when you whine about money and American liberties and opportunites being opposites on the same balance scale...thank God my principles can't be bought(self-appreciation moment)!
What price is our American society for sale?
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Scott Conklin
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We had one (nominal)president Impeached for lying under oath. Not certain why people keep trying to claim it had something to do with sex.
steelheart
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It's a Democrat/leftist thing - they're big on denial and running from reality.
They think it's about sex because that was the topic he was asked and lied about.
Aspen, the rampant consumerism we have today is a value taken from the WWII generation and the 1950s. The difference is that we have no Depression, War, Space Race or anything else to come together on. The younger generations have been given no motivation greater than saving for retirement and buying a bigger house - hardly the stuff dreams and sacrifices are made of.
Aspen, the rampant consumerism we have today is a value taken from the WWII generation and the 1950s. The difference is that we have no Depression, War, Space Race or anything else to come together on. The younger generations have been given no motivation greater than saving for retirement and buying a bigger house - hardly the stuff dreams and sacrifices are made of.
Lord_Nikon
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Yes, and all goes well in Iraq as well.steelheart said:
Denial, fantasy, etc. are not confined only to people on one end of the political spectrum. To maintain that it is is to prove that it isn't.
I would like to appologize. It seems my reference to the oval office has taken this thread somewhat off track. To the original point...
Todays generation has become complacent due to "stuff" (key word). We have stuff, we have jobs to buy that stuff, we have families that want stuff, and they work to get that stuff. We are not willing to stand together, and say this wrong, and won't be tolerated any longer because we don't want to loose our jobs, that provide our stuff. We aren't willing to risk the consequences of our action. We are afraid of being arrested, jailed. out of work, and loosing our stuff. You have your stuff, and I have my stuff, and neither of us wants anyone messing with our stuff. So we just go along afraid to make waves, because the waves can wash our stuff away.
Unfortunately, what freedoms are left is our stuff also. We may have let it (freedom) get shoved to the back of the closet, and lay in the dark, but it is still some of our stuff. We worry that our freedom to work, and keep our stuff can be taken away if we don't "toe the line", so we do.
I only hope that someday it is again understood that freedom is not our stuff to keep, and hold onto. It is God given right that is to be preserved for future generations, and no man should have to live in fear. Even if it is just a fear of loosing our "stuff". Since we seem to be no longer willing to pay the ultimate price, are we even worth of the ultimate reward?
Stuff.
Todays generation has become complacent due to "stuff" (key word). We have stuff, we have jobs to buy that stuff, we have families that want stuff, and they work to get that stuff. We are not willing to stand together, and say this wrong, and won't be tolerated any longer because we don't want to loose our jobs, that provide our stuff. We aren't willing to risk the consequences of our action. We are afraid of being arrested, jailed. out of work, and loosing our stuff. You have your stuff, and I have my stuff, and neither of us wants anyone messing with our stuff. So we just go along afraid to make waves, because the waves can wash our stuff away.
Unfortunately, what freedoms are left is our stuff also. We may have let it (freedom) get shoved to the back of the closet, and lay in the dark, but it is still some of our stuff. We worry that our freedom to work, and keep our stuff can be taken away if we don't "toe the line", so we do.
I only hope that someday it is again understood that freedom is not our stuff to keep, and hold onto. It is God given right that is to be preserved for future generations, and no man should have to live in fear. Even if it is just a fear of loosing our "stuff". Since we seem to be no longer willing to pay the ultimate price, are we even worth of the ultimate reward?
Stuff.
I absolutely agree with you. I would like to think that my children are growing up in the land of freedom, and opportunity. In reality I fear that "freedom" is becoming a dirty littlie secret we keep locked away, and that opportunities are mostly going overseas. The ones that are left here are going to be taken mostly by illegal imigrants that no longer have to do things the right way, or by affirmative action types who claim we have to hire a certain amount of people based on their background, not qualifications.
Just to head off the "war wagon" here let me state emphatically that I am not against legal imigration, nor do I believe that race should play a part in any qualification process. I still teach my children to say Yes sir, and No mam, and that an education is the best resource they can have. Hard work, a good moral compass, and a firm belief that they "do not inherit this land from me, but rather borrow it from their children" is about all that I require of them.
steelheart
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Some are willing to pay the ultimate price. They're called Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and veterans.
Yes I do. What does that have to do with price of beans in Boston?
You are correct, and I too am a veteran. I would never take anything away form the men, and women who would place themselves on "the wall". Their dedication, duty, and service are worthy of the highest respect. However, not everything I did in the service (IMO) was in the best interest of our country.
We've never had a president who was impeached for pulling his pants down; we have had a president who, along with his co-conspirator wife, used the full power of 1/3 of the U.S. government to avoid going to prison for committing felonies of which his/her guilt was never in doubt.
Bravo do you own a cell phone? A car? Do you have a family?
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Yes I do. What does that have to do with price of beans in Boston?
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Just my opinion here from looking at society for 54 years. You are building a family yet you look at the world in a manner to see where you stand compared to how others think. You post a question on matters that come to mind.
Well we all build the world we live in. Everything you do adds or subtracts to your world. Balance in life keeps you from having to deal with problems and few people learn to balance their lives. People are self centered now days and that has taken the balance out of society.
We have our cell phones to keep our lives close to us and even drive while useing them. We need to personalize our cars and keep our families close because that makes us happy. We are self centered in general. We close out the world to talk on the phone and the world tramples you down because you didn't pay attention to it.
That is the price or the sellout that you seek the answer to.
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PS thank you for your service.
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Yes I do. What does that have to do with price of beans in Boston?
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Just my opinion here from looking at society for 54 years. You are building a family yet you look at the world in a manner to see where you stand compared to how others think. You post a question on matters that come to mind.
Well we all build the world we live in. Everything you do adds or subtracts to your world. Balance in life keeps you from having to deal with problems and few people learn to balance their lives. People are self centered now days and that has taken the balance out of society.
We have our cell phones to keep our lives close to us and even drive while useing them. We need to personalize our cars and keep our families close because that makes us happy. We are self centered in general. We close out the world to talk on the phone and the world tramples you down because you didn't pay attention to it.
That is the price or the sellout that you seek the answer to.
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PS thank you for your service.
steelheart
Moderator
"Blue Dress" Bill
I think in his eight years of p1$$ing on the Constitution and Presidency, he did more than enough damage and should only be referred to as "Mr. Clinton" rather than continuing to shame the office by putting the "P" word next to his name or even in the same paragraph.
Rivers, you are desecrating the term President by using it to refer to anything with the last name of Clinton.
I think in his eight years of p1$$ing on the Constitution and Presidency, he did more than enough damage and should only be referred to as "Mr. Clinton" rather than continuing to shame the office by putting the "P" word next to his name or even in the same paragraph.