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The woman was a whack job dealing with the grief of loosing her child. Certainly she said some stuff that was over the top and was embraced by those who should be despised. None of the stuff that came from her "celebrity exposure" though would have happened if the DNC had not seen fresh meat the get the lions to perform.

Rather than being allowed to go through the healing cycle she should have she was used as a mouthpiece with the sore kept open in front of her every day. She was stupid and she was used. Hopefully she as a private citizen can stay away from this mess now and put her life back together.

I am willing to cut someone some real slack when their child is killed and they are manipulated by those whose specialty is manipulation. Have a heart people.
 
Sheehan was already against this Country before her son was killed. That just gave her the spotlight she wanted.
 
Sheehan was already against this Country before her son was killed. That just gave her the spotlight she wanted.
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Care to elaborate? Both in defining "against this Country" and how she exhibited these characteristics before her son's death.
 
Perhaps this is further proof...

That this nation is eroding, we are gaining more cowards and fewer heroes. No one wants to stand up for what they want to believe in. This two-party idea is a failure, because both sides just work together to keep real freedom at bay. It's time to smash the walls of ignorance and stupidity, and really time for people to think for themselves and pick candidates that actually get the job done instead of sitting around scratching their ass.


Epyon
 
Care to elaborate? Both in defining "against this Country" and how she exhibited these characteristics before her son's death.
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That was an easy assigment. Read the complete article@

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19117


A Legacy of Leftist Anger



One might speculate that her son’s death freed Cindy Sheehan to take a more prominent role in stating the convictions she long held. Her hatred of President George W. Bush apparently harkens back to well before her son ever set foot in Iraq. In “An Open Letter to President George Bush,” published in the Not In Our Name newsletter shortly after the 2004 presidential elections, she wrote:



George, in 2000 when you stole that election and the Democrats gave up, I gave up, too. I had the most ironic thought of my life then: “Oh well, how much damage can he do in four years?”



According to San Francisco-based talk show host (and acquaintance of the Sheehan family) Melanie Morgan, Cindy Sheehan’s antiwar animus dates to well before her son’s death. [1] The Sheehans always opposed U.S. involvement in Iraq. Asked about the views she and her husband, Pat, had toward the Iraq War before their son’s deployment, she answered: “We didn’t understand why the United States was there. We never thought that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States.”
 
Being against George Bush, and being against a questionable war does not make her "against this country."
I don't like Cindy much myself, but I respect that she finally snapped out of it, and realized the Democrats in congress are just as much for the war as the Republicans.
 
So being against George W. Bush from the start, and being against the war in Iraq from the start, are what constitute being "against this Country?"

Then I am absolutely proud to be "against this Country," to my very core.
 
If I remember coorectly slightly more than 50% of this country was "against" Bush in 2000. A significant amount of people have been agaisnt him and this war since the begining. That number has climbed significantly in recent years.

Just because one opposes the President does not mean one hates this country. If it did it would mean I hated America because I opposed Clinton.

The mouth pieces for the right need to learn that they are driving away all those who do not believe in following them in lockstep every time they accuse those who disagree with the war or Bush of being anti-American or against our troops.

You want to know what happenned at the polls in November of 2006? What happened is that those people who supported the Reps got tired of being called unpatriotic and unAmerican for questioning any aspect of this war. They stayed home.
 
I think Edward R. Murrow said it best;

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."
 
I think Edward R. Murrow said it best;

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."
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Wonderful citation.
 
dasmi said:
Being against George Bush, and being against a questionable war does not make her "against this country."
I don't like Cindy much myself, but I respect that she finally snapped out of it, and realized the Democrats in congress are just as much for the war as the Republicans.
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That's exactly right.

Patriotism used to mean strong belief in American values. Now a lot of people confuse it with a kind of fascism that incorporates dog-like loyalty to the government, along with mindless "nuke their ass and take the gas" jingoism.

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Sheehan is not brave. She is not courageous. It takes no courage or bravery to spout anti-Semitic, conspiracy nonsense that the media laps up.
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I haven't been following exactly what she said, but I do believe she claimed that the Iraq war was a scheme to benefit Israel. There's nothing anti-Semitic about saying so, especially since (1) many of those involved in the scheme were not Jewish (e.g., Bush and Cheney); (2) most Americans of Jewish background, myself included, did NOT support the Iraq war; and, most important of all, (3) it's almost certainly true, and there's plenty of circumstantial evidence. The following three articles provide an excellent overview:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36694-2003Dec4?language=printer

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

Anti-Semitism is hatred of Jews. Opposition to the use of American blood and money to benefit Israel is NOT anti-Semitism, although the Israel-first crowd (which includes many non-Jews, such as the late Jerry Falwell) would have us believe so.
 
Personally, I think this whole debacle with Sheehan is a sad commentary on our politics and the political movements behind both sides.

Take a mother who is not a supporter of the current administration or its policies whose son dies in a foreign war. Provide her with money, transportation, famous public figures to support her and a public relations firm to stage-manage her so she can shout her anger from the rooftops in the glare of TV cameras. But once your goal is realized, cast her aside like a used towel, ignore her, minimize her rhetoric, no thanks, no apologies, no payments for services rendered.

I wonder what will happen to this tragic figure of an American mom. I have no doubt she loved her son. I do have doubts that she supported his decision to enter the military and doubt that she encouraged him in his mission overly much. But now that she let herself be led, managed and used by the left, her marriage is in shambles, her other children feel foresaken, she can never return to the place she was -- her own home & a loving family -- before embarking on her short lived career as a political irritant.

The right shares some of the blame, though I think not anywhere near the proportions of the left. Most of the commentators on the right recognized her incomplete grieving, how she was being used (and letting herself be used) and many suggested that she'd lost her mental stability (which, I think, she has).

In the end, I think this will say more about the lack of ethics in the political organizations and their motives than it will about Iraq, presidential powers and goofs or wars.
 
"The right shares some of the blame"

Why should anyone share the blame, she was free to choose to go do something else. Nobody made her flaunt her despair on tv.

John
 
Why should anyone share the blame, she was free to choose to go do something else. Nobody made her flaunt her despair on tv.
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I hope you do not have to loose a child to understand how vulnerable and unstable one can be at such a time. Use some empathy here people.
 
"You want to know what happenned at the polls in November of 2006?"

What a minute, I think I heard something about that. It's coming to me, give me another minute or two.

John
 
"I hope you do not have to loose a child to understand how vulnerable and unstable one can be at such a time. Use some empathy here people."

Yeah, well, I get paid good money to show empathy (and to find solutions where they don't exist sometimes) and I am not being unsympathetic - I do understand. I stated a fact, nobody forced her to do what she did and therefore nobody needs to share the blame. It's very straightforward.

To others, I hope I don't end up adrift on a boat with some of you who don't know how to pitch in and work as a team. Somebody has to be in charge and make the hard decisions.

John
 
So being against George W. Bush from the start, and being against the war in Iraq from the start, are what constitute being "against this Country?"
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Ok, so you really did not read any of the link I posted. Well I also have been against Bush and the Iraq war from the beginning. The difference? Sheehan has been spewing hated for this Country even before her son was killed. She does not like the USA. Nothing wrong with being against any politician of this country..including the President. But when you spew hatred about every facet of American life, then that's different. Sheehan needs to find a nice cozy 3rd world country where she will be happy. Wait, I think she already has.:barf:
 
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To be quite blunt: She was a usefull idiot.

Was, being the operative word.

Her son volunteered for service. I don't know if Sheehan was for or against that initial move. Her son volunteered to re-up, knowing full well that he would be going to Iraq, during the build up. Sheehan has stated over and over that she was against his re-enlistment. She didn't support him.

He got killed doing what he thought was right, and momma went bonkers. She made a public mockery of his duty, his honor, and his supreme sacrifice for his country.... "He died for nothing." If that's the way you want to remember your son, Ms. Sheehan, so be it.

I am glad she finally woke up. Perhaps now she can grieve for real.

Other than that, I have no sympathy for Cindy.
 
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."
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I am not sure without looking up, but I am guessing Morrow was talking about Senator Joe McCarthy. If so, then that is a lot different than todays protest & dissent. I lived through the McCarty era. Scary indeed. McCarthy perfected the art of guilt by accusation, but I see nothing around today that compares to those times. We might accuse someone today of being disloyal but it normally doesn't destroy their lives. Heck look at Rosie...well she did lose her job.:D
 
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