What level of training is prudent for concealed carry?

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Your level of training should be such that you can draw, fire and hit your target reactively without thinking about the steps needed. This frees your mind to deal with the threat situation - evaluating the threat, evaluating retreat options and non-violent resolutions, etc.

Once your training is such that you can at least get your firearm quickly into service, you can move on to more advanced training. Such training would include using speedloaders, cover, movement, contact-distance techniques, etc. All that "fun stuff".

I'll add the normal disclaimer here that one should carry a less-than-lethal form of defense (e.g. pepper spray) when practical. Even if for no other reason than to give you a chance to avoid shooting the gene-tampered turkey who's asking to be shot.

The bigger question is can too much training hurt you in court? I think it can. Pax's idea of re-taking the same training course every year (or two) doesn't get you into the trouble. It's the guys who take the ultra-advanced courses or courses in hand-to-hand/knife fighting too. I can see that training being flaunted before a jury to paint someone as willing to skip less-lethal means just so they could shoot someone.
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very good points
 
Freedom freely given. Life freely sacrificed. Nothing coerced. That's the essence of liberty, which you don't seem to grasp.
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Amen.


I honor each and every person who serves and/or and dies for my FREEDOM. Compulsory service is one of many things they fight and die to prevent.
I'm not man enough to be a soldier but I thank God every day (literally) for those who are.


PS- What in the friggin' world does this have to do with prudent training levels? :rolleyes::confused:
 
Lucky for us all that our Founding Fathers and a lot of veterans over the past two centuries didn't share your point of view.
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But your own initial list of criteria is extremely un-Constitutional..

And on a more practical note, based on your elitist criteria a young law abiding adult female that simply takes a 12 hour CCW course and passes her competency test would not be able to carry a gun to protect herself just because she wasn't trained to become a combination of Delta Force operative plus Lawyer.

I think you came up with a well intentioned list but I don't think that you really thought your position through well enough.

And mandatory NRA membership, or even voting for that matter, doesn't really go well with the concept of "Liberty".
 
Your level of training should be such that you can draw, fire and hit your target reactively without thinking about the steps needed. This frees your mind to deal with the threat situation - evaluating the threat, evaluating retreat options and non-violent resolutions, etc.
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Very good points indeed. Let me draw an analogy.

Every culture thinks tourists are clueless. The French think American
tourists are stupid. Americans think French tourists are stupid, etc etc

Well, when you're in a strange place you have to consciously process
unfamiliar surroundings, unfamiliar currency, strange language, etc. But in
your native surroundings, you don't have to think about speaking, using
money, driving, or any other routine task. That frees up your brain to think
about other things. But a tourist you run into in your own native
environment is processing a lot of extra information consciously. So, tourists
appear dumb because they only have half a brain to work with. The rest of
their brain is being used to make sense of unfamiliar data.

You cannot be a tourist to gunfight land. You have to be a native. You
need all of your brain available to you for "Do I run away. Do I pepper
spray this bastard. Where is the nearest cover. If not cover, where is
the nearest concealment. Is the perp armed. If so, with what? Does his
weapon have greater range than mine? I should back away from this
perp so that the increased distance gives me a little more time. The perp
is still coming. I need to tell him that I'm armed and if he comes any closer,
I'll bust a cap in his buttocks. O.K. I yelled, but he's still coming. I'm now
behind cover. I should kneel so that I have a more stable platform. The
perp is danger close. BANG BANG"
 
Every culture thinks tourists are clueless. The French think American
tourists are stupid. Americans think French tourists are stupid, etc etc

Well, when you're in a strange place...BANG BANG"
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1) THAT is one of the better analogies I seen.
2) I still say 1 too many creative writing classes.:D
 
1. Pick a gun/platform that suits you. Memorize the 4 rules

2. Train until you are comfortable that you can draw and fire, putting your shots in a 4 inch circle at 7 yards.

3. Shoot as much as you can, as often as you can with your carry platform.
(I try to at least shoot 250 rounds a month through my carry gun.)
 
Good grief, this thread has turned into a mish-mash.

Should I send it over to L&P, so everyone can argue the Legal & Political question about whether training should be required by law? I could ... but rereading the initial post, that's not what the thread topic was supposed to be here.

Should I keep it in T&T, so everyone can discuss the Tactics and Training a prudent concealed carry permit holder will get for himself or herself? Love to do that, but an awful lot of people have gotten wildly away from that topic.

Should I try to split the two threads, tossing L&P posts to L&P, while retaining the T&T posts for right here? Ugh! Too darn much work, too hard to follow, too rude for the conversation.

Guess I'll just close it.

Anyone want to reopen the topic you're discussing, please do so in the appropriate forum and with a clear statement of which topic it is.

pax
 
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