What is with all the hate for LTC Dave Grossman?

Dachsunds were bred to hunt weasels (miniature Dachsund) or badgers (standard dachsunds).

If you want to pick on a small dog for having more bark than bite, maybe a Maltese or Pomeranian would be the better fit.

Wiener dogs are vicious little predators actually. Our younger one is like a snake serial killer and has taken out four (at least two were rattlers) in four years.


Agreed. of the CHLers I know, none wants to be a sheepdog, except for their family.
 
I recall seeing an interview (I think it was the one with with US COncealed Carry) of LTC Grossman in which he went on at length about how the founding fathers' selection of ten amendments in the Bill of Rights was clearly influenced by the Biblical Ten Commandments.

He hadn't bothered running a search on the internet before the interview, as that will quickly reveal that there were TWELVE amendments proposed in the original Bill of Rights, ten of which were ratified at the time, one of which was subsequently ratified in 1992.

I haven't read his book, but this put him on the list of authors that I wasn't that interested in reading. Confirmation bias is such a difficult thing to overcome, and this was a classic example of someone who walked smack into it. That was enough for me.
 
In fact he goes out of his way to state that there are few sheepdogs, but many, many, many sheep.
Nor does he says that the means to impose [with deadly force] is the obligation to impose. Merely that
a decision must be made. And that decision separates & categorizes who you are.

I've read one or two of his books. I understand what he's saying. The problem is that most people don't read it that way. They read it if you have the ability and opportunity, regardless of anything else, you should respond to something. Since I am not in any situation right now where I have the opportunity or ability to respond, I cannot tell you how I would respond.

Vanya's post was more in line with my beliefs, and did a far better job of explaining it. The idea of being a sheepdog is something that's been romanticized. Some (not all, and not all sheepdog...but this is a consequence of this distinction) people want there to be trouble so they can respond and be the hero.

Personally, I think the categorization of sheepdogs vs wolves is far too simplistic for what is, in reality, a complicated issue. This was one of my biggest problems. You were categorized by your decisions during the fact. But it doesn't take into account if I am acting in the best interests of my family. Would calling 911 instead of drawing and firing on an attacker, who is attacking a third party, in an effort to survive and go home to my family make me a sheepdog? Or a sheep? I look at it like I am making a decision to protect my "flock" even though I'm not acting the way Grossman describes a sheepdog.

It's a very complicated issue that Grossman was trying to oversimplify, and it just doesn't work. And yes, I realize that he even comments on this. But he spends an entire book talking about the extremes of a continuum between sheep and sheepdog, but then puts a little blurb in the last chapter about how most people fall somewhere in between...and he spends so little time speaking about those people.
 
Authors and politicians... if you want one with whom you agree 100% of the time, you'd better become one.

Even then, I'm not sure I agree with myself 100%.:D
 
... [Grossman] spends an entire book talking about the extremes of a continuum between sheep and sheepdog
If one ever studies mathmatical Fourier series used to model a complex set of curves,
you find that the boundary conditions at either end set the stage.

I don't have a problem with that in real life either, otherwise we are left in a constant
state of "what-if?" mush.

And as they say in so many physics books -- "the exercise is left to the student." :D
 
True, but understand the consequences of that. The reader is left with the impression that this very complex issue can be simplified to two extremes. There was a thread in the T&T forum (it's locked now, but worth a read) a week or so ago that showed this very clearly. There were two primary groups of people. Those who said they would rush in guns blazing, and those who said that their guns were for the protection of themselves and their family (I fell into the latter category, though I recognized that the situation can't be simplified like that). If you were going to use the categorization that Grossman used, these groups were the sheep and sheepdogs. All because of this polarizing idea.

The fact remains that sheep/sheepdog/wolves is a gross oversimplification that ignore many dynamic issues.
 
@mehavey: see this interview at approximately 21:00 - 23:00

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/bulletproof-mind-exclusive/

For proposed 12 amendments in Bill of Rights, see here: http://www.usconstitution.net/first12.html

Note that this doesn't mean I disagree with LTC Grossman. No, not necessarily. He might have some very good intuitions on things. But sloppy thinking is enough for me to decide that I am no longer interested in reading a non-fiction treatise by the guy. I don't have enough time to read the books I definitely want to read, or hear the people I definitely want to hear speak. YMMV.
 
I had previously seen the 12 (but not too previously -- goes to show what forums like this can still teach old dogs).

I'll read the interview....
 
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