what is the problem with 223?

Hooligan I would be willing to bet my mini is just as deadly on game as your colt AR within the effective range of the 223. The difference you would be able to see (maybe) is at the range with a ruler assuming your colt shoots better than my DPMS. Your 22 pistol comparison is laughable at best:cool:
 
Recall that until more modern machinery was commonly available, two MOA was considered plenty good for deer hunting. NIB one-MOA rifles started becoming more common in the 1970s/1980s.
 
[QUOTEI gotta say I'm always, ALWAYS, amused when I see a mini-14 with a bayonet lug.][/QUOTE]

That is almost as amusing as all of the AR's with 15lbs of lights, lasers, electronic sights etc etc.
 
Agree

I agree the bayonet lug is comical. Moving the sight block back several inches, hence shortening the sight radius, to accommodate the lug definitely doesn't help its accuracy. :o

Now I wish I had taken the pic with my M7 mounted on the gun... Strictly for you alls entertainment purposes. :D
 
I really like the mini-14, but when I read about the "tiny, under powered" 223 vs the 7.62 x 39 or 7.62 x 51....I find myself wanting "more" rifle. But this is apparently a want and not a need.
 
The .223 is not really under powered, it just looses steam a little sooner. I wish I have taken pictures of wounds in pigs so you could see the damage but I generally take pictures of the whole animal usually with the gory parts away from the camera as some people are sensitive.

But I even get grossed out when the eyes pop out from neck shots.

Whether or not its 1.5 moa 2 now or whatever, its going to run out of useful range before that matter much. Then I would suggest something more on the full sized 30 calibers
 
.223

Your post has about 3-4 angles to it. I'll try and hit the high spots.

The .223 is underpowered in the sense that there are certainly cartridges with higher performance. In the hunting rifle world, performance wise, the .223 is a varmint cartridge. The cartridge will kill deer, it will even kill deer efficiently in many instances, but it needs to be properly loaded with the correct slug, and shots need to be placed well. There is now a whole line of .223 slugs intended for deer, and using same, it can be used as a "deer" cartridge. Not ideal, but it can suffice. My boy took his first few whitetails w/ a .223 bolt rifle and 62 gr bonded soft points from I think Federal. The last one he shot w/ it, ahead of the diaphram, but farther back than I would prefer, left exactly a zero blood trail for 40-50 yds. It go into thick cover in that short distance and could have been lost I suppose, had it gone much further. The bullet did not exit, the hide covered the miniature entrance wound, and we had an interesting lesson in deer tracking and ctg performance. He shot his next deer with a 7.62x39 bolt rifle. with the results you'd expect. The x39 can be had with slugs as heavy as 150 grs (I shoot 135-130 gr) and penetration and exitwounds occur consistently on deer. The comparison to 30-30 is apt.

The Mini family are great rifles. Wood stocked (well some are) blue steel (same same) and a time tested action. My Mini is in x39mm, but I have shot plenty of Mini-14's in .223 of course. The 6.8 new comer leaves me cold. Great cartridge performance wise, but not common. I wouldn't have one.

The .223 drew bad press as a military round early on. Again, it is just not a .30 '06 or .308. The combination of of hight twist rates, and heavier and heavier slugs to stabilize same, and shorter carbine barrels, reduce its velocity and increase stability, reducing the slugs tendency to yaw and tumble, which it needs to do, to wound effectively in the FMJ and AP varieties issued to the military. And in the mtn and desert terrain, I read the .223 is not reaching like it needs to in some fights. The military's search for a new cartrige is further indication of its shortcomings in the current war.

If I had to have a Mini, and I intended to hunt deer and hogs with it, I would go with the MIni-30. If I wanted a GP rifle that I MIGHT hunt deer/hogs with on occasion, but would spend more rounds blasting away at paper and steel, and have it do double duty in the HD/SD role, I'd get a Mini-14 and load it with appropriate slugs as the task at hand required.
 
Works fine if you do your part

I too was concerned with the 223 for whitetail deer hunting. While I didn't use my Mini 14, I used my Bushmaster because that was the gun that load was developed for, I was very surprised and pleased with the results. I was shooting a 55 grain spire point and the 150 pound doe I shot at 100 yards was dead right there. If you can put the shot where you want it, I hit her in the lungs which is where I was aiming, they won't go far. Based on the evidence inside when I gutted her, I have no doubt that that bullet would have been devastating anywhere in the boiler room. While I will use a larger caliber, I have no doubt that my 223 will do the job if needed.
 
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