What is the classic/standard 308 bolt action?

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I'm really into buying the "classics" or "standards".

I don't mean old guns, or "back in the good old days" guns.

For instance, to me, the 10/22 is the standard 22LR rifle. I like others perfectly well such as the Marlin 60, but to me, they all are compared to a 10/22.

Shotguns, it's the 870. Yes, the Mossberg 500 is plenty good too, but the 870 is the standard.

What would you consider the classic or standard bolt action rifle?

Is it the Remington 700?
 
Sorry but I have to say this! :D

M1A (gas operated bolt action) that would be the standard IMO. That is what the .308/7.62x51 was developed for to better feed and cycle in the military's automatic weapons. Since this is the "General forum" I figure I can deviate a little. ;)
 
Bolt actions?


Absolute classic? Pre-64 Winchester Model 70. No comparison and there will be little argument from anyone knowlagable.

Classic? Remington 700. This is the most popular bolt action rifle ever built.

"Runner Up": Winchester Model 70, post '64, with desirability varying widely based on exact version. Range from very good to crap.

Honorable Mention: Any of the GOOD civil Mausers, such as the more classic stocked versions of the Interarms Mark-X Mausers.



"Quality" is different than "Classic"... thus leaving out obviously high quality stuff like Sako, Husquavarna, anything made in Japan (Howa, etc), Weatherby, etc. They are all great, just not the "prototypical classic" of the Winchester Model 70 or Remington 700.


Willie


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If I remember correctly, the .308 Winchester was developed in the early 1950s by Winchester and the model 70 and 88 were the rifles first introduced with it. My dad bought a lever action 88 back in 1957 that I still have.

So, the classic bolt action rifle would be the Winchester model 70, which is still made and available in .308
 
I would suggest the Savage 110 for at least 3rd Place. The Winchester and Remington have more of a cachet, but the Savage has long had a good reputation for accuracy and giving good value for the money.
 
"I would suggest the Savage 110 for at least 3rd Place"


Surely you jest...

It's a user... but a "classic"? See above for the difference between "quality" and "classic". You cannot even put a Savage in the "high quality but not a classic" category like a Husquavarna or Sako. It's just a beater. A good beater, but... it's a beater.



Willie


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In my opinion, the ultimate "classic" rifle action came out of Paul Mauser's factory in Oberndorf, Germany, in 1898. That version of his many bolt action designs spawned, parented, or made folks think more about bolt actions than any other since. It's still available in different sizes from different companies and its fundamental design's not changed.

The US military folks paid Mauser a generous amount to use several of its patented features in the M1903 Springfield.

Winchester commercialized the 1903 Springfield design for their Model 54 in the mid 1920's.

Winchester improved their Model 54 in 1937 with the Model 70. No other box magazine rifle proved as reliable, easy to maintain, repeatably accurate in competition and overall performance in sniper use than this one.

Too bad Winchester was in financial straits in the 1960's when Uncle Sam wanted a new sniper rifle. Virtually all the top rifle competitors on military teams wanted the Winchester for sniper use (many of them were snipers). They knew the problems with the Remington 700's were hurting its reliability and it was not favored for competition with heavy recoiling cartridges in spite of its success with mild rounds in benchrest matches. Note the Rem. 7XX's are decendants of the 1917 Enfield rifle; 1917 fathered the Model 30 which fathered the Model 720 which begat the 721/722 and finally the 700.

But I digress. Back to the original "classic". . . . . .

The Mauser action of 1898 is, without a shadow of a doubt, the best bolt action ever invented. Copied by dozens, used by millions and coveted by collectors the world over, the Mauser simply keeps on doing the job in spite of its old-fashioned looks and a whole legion of grandiose claims from a bunch of wannabe successors, all of whom seem to fall by the wayside one by one as time goes by.
 
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Pre-64 model 70....
 
It depends.

For competition? The Rem 40X shooting the "new" 168gr SMK took home the gold in 300 Meter Free Rifle in the early 60s. The Win M70 target models were all dropped by the end of the 1950s because of the horrendously slow lock time (by competition standards).

For hunting? Win M70, pre-64 version (which really screams 270 to me, not 308 thanks to Jack O'Connor).

For military/tactical? M40 (it predates the M24 by quite a bit).

For military surplus? Israeli Mauser (although the Steyr 308 Mausers were very nice indeed).

So that's two Remingtons and a Winchester and a Mauser each.

So if I had to sum all that together, I'd say Remington wins.

Jimro
 
Gunshop down the road has a savage 99 in .308 for $425. Rifle is supposed to be in GOOD condition. They had it listed in the local paper with a bunch of others in their weekly ad. Thought about going to look at it but, haven't made it yet...:cool:
 
Let us define "classic". The Winchester M-70 was introduced in 1937, the Remington M700 in 1962, both have been used by the military as sniper rifles so they have a cachet that the Savage doesn't have. The Savage is a Ford, the other two are Lincolns and Cadillacs.
 
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