What is a real Militia?

Shield20, all this talk about what the feds may or may not do, kinda clouds the issue. Consider again, what Diana has said:

aftv2005 said:
Whereas, state defense forces (as the National Guard) exist only through the benevolence of federal law/government, and are therefore, in reality, subject to "federal regulatory impediments", the militia on the other hand, is not bound by federal law, but subject only to the Constitution and the state, so long as the state does not infringe upon its existence.

aftv2005 said:
I think you missed my point. We don't need MORE government interest. We need LESS. State defense forces are not the Consitutional militia and I'm sure not dependng on them to protect my Constitutional liberties.. The more government interest in our lives, the more need for citizens to understand their duty to revitalize the real militia.

Also, consider that the only thing the Constitution says is a State power is for the appointment of officers to its militia. The Constitution says a lot about what the feds may do, but actually is rather silent on the authority of the States, as regards the militia.

Before we had modern police forces, just how did things get done? Why the Magistrate of a town called forth the citizens to form a posse... If you've ever watched old westerns, that's the militia in action.

Well regulated didn't mean a bunch of laws. It meant that the citizens were well equipped with appropriate arms. They knew how to shoot. How to track and hunt. They were prepared for a call to arms. Well ordered? They took direction from an appointed officer. Appointed by whom? The local Magistrate.

That's the plain and simple truth of the Militia.

shield20 said:
What is its role?
The militia is necessary to the security of a free state. What force can stand against a truly armed citizenry?
Will it be called forth by the President?
Doubtfull in todays political climate. What use would the feds have for us? We can not be sent outside the borders of the US, that's the job of the standing Army. We ain't them.
How is it trained, organized, disciplined?
Since militia duty has fallen into disrepair (and in general, disfavor), it is up to each one of us to train ourselves. Organization comes if and when we may be called out (rural towns and counties are more apt to call upon its citizens than metropolitan areas). Discipline will occur when leaders are appointed/elected.
 
Some of these posts make me a little nervous and reluctant to be associated with this crowd, even if only in this virtual environment. As I understand it, some of you want there to be an active militia, yet want no part of government. I even get the impression you would be willing to overthrow the government, presumably by violent means, the same government that (some of) you elected in the first place. If you don't like government, what comes next?

Here is a modest proposal.

There seems to me to be a need for an active militia at the moment, at least in some places. The places I have in mind are along the coast where smugglers (sounds very 18th century, doesn't it) land their wares and along the southern border where smuggling of a different sort takes place. While there is a National Guard, which really is under state control (the governor) as long as they are not federalized and out of the country (thereby depriving the state (the governor) of a military force). I use the word state to mean state like in Texas, not the federal government. The need for additional protection is highly localized but it appears to be real and unmet. Also, these units would only be organized where there is actually an unmet need. There has to be an actual untility for this force. Wyoming might not need one just yet.

Furthermore, these units would probably not need to be around big cities but rather in rural areas along the borders and coast. Members ideally would be outdoors type people who already had the necessary skills, though not necessarily prior military experience.

These militia units, for they would be organized, would be an arm of local government and, ideally, would be officered by local government officials, like small town mayors. Ultimately there would need to be some form of national control, leadership and support, but chiefly that would only need to be in the form of recruiting, organizing and provision of weapons. This would certainly have to be an armed force. I would suggest this would be a use for all those M14's we presumably have in storage. Other gear would be minimal and mostly provided by the members. There would have to be a minimum form of uniform for identification purposes, something like a baseball cap. Also, the members would be issued a basic load of ammuntion, which they would keep with them at home along with their weapon.

Alas! It is not for me. I am too old. There would unfortunately have to be standards and it could not be a corps of invalids. Probably the age of 40 would be the cutoff for enlisting. I am 60. Naturally, other standards would have to be met as well, and I think it would be appropriate for membership to be limited to citizens. U.S. citizens, that is.

There exist such things in other countries but I doubt if such a thing would ever come to pass as I describe it except perhaps in a period of grave national emergency (and I don't mean a hurricane). Besides, it sounds like the people who most think we need such a thing would have nothing to do with it because it has something to do with government and they hate the government.

And I suspect there are those in government that might fear such an armed body. Could it be there are those who would prefer our borders be as porous as they seem to be at the moment?
 
The problem with the force you envision Blue is it is armed by the govt. How could the govt fear such a force if it can control their arms? That is what the 2nd is all about. Individuals must arm themselves whenver possible - without infringement without registration etc., so there is no fear the govt can (easily) disarm them. They want to put those M14s up for sale through private dealers - I am in - but they do not need to know I am the one buying it - all they need to know is I agree to do my duty to be well-armed.

The problem for Anti & aft is any private citizens willing to form a "private" group are often subject to law, and immediately subject to "vigilante", "racists" (re: immigration control), "terrorists", and many other such labels - and their associated laws. A more local legally-mandated organization like Anti alludes to makes more sense. This is why I bring up the point about having some govt interest in the organization, and govt policies that support the groups' actions. But those local institutions still are NOT the real Militia per the Constitution. The constitutional "Militia of the several States" requires govt involvment; if the reps refuse to do their duty through malfeasance or usurption (as they have), then it is up to the States to step in - AGAIN - as they always had. When both govts fail in their duty - then it IS up to the people themselves - to revise the govts according to their consent. Training ourselves is well and good, as is mustering, and appearing to serve some of the roles intended, but IF doing so is illegal, even if the laws saying so are uncontitutional, what good will it serve ourselves and our posterity in the long run? Something major has got to change or the tryanny of the govt and the "unlawfull combinations" of the people involved will be quite dangerous to the Union - to the...social contract.

The Constitutional Militia is NOT so simple as a bunch of people gathering together creating a private institution, under a locally appointed officer. The Militia of the several States existed long before the Constitution - and the Constitution recognizes them to have existed - it did not create them. It also requires them to be permanent and necessary (and well armed and well trained). It did not take away from the EXISTING state's powers & control any other then those enumerated re: Congress and the Presidental powers. The Founders understood the term "Militia" as it had been understood in the history of American experience for over 100 years: the whole body of the people, armed and trained along contemporary military lines with appropriate firearms and ammunition always maintained in their personal possession; BUT - those Militias were of the individual States - one can look to the relevant laws: the Militia Acts of the Colonies and independent States during the pre-constitutional period - they provide evidence of the principles on which the Militia were formed and operated:
(from Edwin...)
The Militia were always governmental, not private, organizations. Regular Militia units typically chose their own officers, and so-called "independent companies" even organized themselves--but always subject to governmental approval, supervision, and command as mandated by statute or other legislative action.
•The pre-constitutional Militia were based on a legal duty of universal, compulsory service, excused only by special exemption.
•The Militia Acts required each and every man financially able to do so to purchase his own firearm, ammunition, and accoutrements in the free market, and to maintain these things, in good working condition, in his personal possession at home, ready for use at any time.
• The pre-constitutional Militia Acts generally immunized Militia firearms from seizure for private debts or taxes
• The firearms with which the pre-constitutional Militia Acts required almost every able-bodied free male to supply himself were the standard military-grade muskets, or sometimes rifles, of that day
• The pre-constitutional Militia Acts required men between 16 and 50 or 60 years of age to attend regular musters and training, generally four to six times a year.
• The pre-constitutional Militia Acts aimed primarily at a general proliferation and dispersion of firearms and ammunition throughout the community.

So basically - the armed people - the Militia - understood themselves to be an important component of the governments they consented to; their possession of firearms was a governmental as well as a personal duty, and of course - always was and is an unalienable Right.
 
"Some of these posts make me a little nervous and reluctant to be associated with this crowd..."

What makes me a little nervous is the steady erosion of our liberties in the name of the War on Terror. What makes me a little nervous is the list of 'domestic terrorists' and how many God-fearing patriotic Americans might be on it. What makes me a little nervous is the suspension of Habeas Corpus and the detention camps scattered around the country. We know they're not for illegal aliens, don't we?

And what about that National ID? It isn't because they're worrying about terrorists sneaking across the border, is it? Then there are all the unanswered questions of what really happened on 911 and the extraordinary powers that President Bush invents with a stroke of his pen as a result.

Free speech gets you fired and caucasians are all racists if they dare point out the inequities that entitlements and reparations have wrought. How long before defending one's European heritage becomes a hate crime? It makes me a little nervous too that school children have a mock terrorism drill against an assault by an "armed right-wing fundamentalist group'' dubbed the "New Crusaders", never mind the assault on God in the public square.

How about the many children removed from the homes of Christian parents who didn't spare the rod? Then there are those who sit in prison for refusing to pay an illegal income tax and those affected by the new eminent domain laws who lose their homes to some corporate land grabbers.

They want to chip our goats and our kids will be next...cut the cord and slip the chip. Of course, we never want them to get lost, now do we? All this concern and pedophiles go free with only a wrist slapping (which probably turns them on). *shiver*

How about the old ladies who have to take their shoes off in order to get on an airplane and the TSA perverts who want to see them naked too? And speaking of babies and old ladies, such burdens are quickly remedied in the name of privacy and someone else's opinion of their quality of life.

Then there are the border patrol agents who went up for doing their jobs while the President screams "amnesty" for illegal aliens. Ooops! I meant 'guest workers' of course. But hey! We're all going to be one big happy North American Union before too long. Sorry, I guess I'm just politically incorrect because I'm rather partial to the US of A. Just makes me a little nervous, you know?

Then there is the chatter about banning handguns after the V. Tech shooting...

Diana
 
To the rest of you concerning the American Civil War, it is clear that slavery is wrong. The war was not fought about slavery though, anymore than Iraq is being fought (never was) over WMD.

Exactly. But Southerners complaining that they lost might be like Baathists complaining that it wasn't about WMDs. They have no moral ground to stand on. Men who lived by the sword (by owning slaves) lost by the sword (the North's Armies). They lost by their own moral code, that of The Strongest, and have no cause to complain.
 
Southerners have no moral ground to stand on??

Bullspit! Slavery was a States' right protected by the US Constitution. I find moral ground in rule of law and constitutionalism and free goverment.

Yankees, on the other hand, turned against the US Constitution and that is treason, yankees put the Southern States under military rule and that is tyranny, and yankees modified the US Constitution against the will of the States using military force and that is despotism. I reckon it is yankees that have no moral ground to stand on.
 
Hitler passed various laws. I suppose that gave the Reich the moral ground for their various behaviors.

That you think slavery was acceptable because it was part of the Constitution follows the same logic.

I suppose you think the various laws that supported segregation were moral as they were laws passed by state legislatures.

:barf:
 
I think overturning such laws by ILLEGAL invasion, burning down states, terrorizing civilians, overthrowing the constitution, violence and inciting violence is the moral LOW ground. Resisting those who incite such things is the moral high ground.

Slavery and segregation we are better off without, but to compare it to Hitler and his murder of millions of people, Jews, Christians, Russians, etc. by shoving them into gas chambers, castrating them, burning them alive and other unspeakable tortures and launching a mass invasion of Europe is absurd.

There are worse things than slavery and segregation. Such as people who use those things as weapons (Radical Abolitionists and Republicans, left wing liberals and so-called Civil Rights ministers) for their own political power at the expense of other states and communities (including those they proclaim to help). Worse things are also people who refuse to have a deeper understanding of social problems and why they came about and how getting rid of them is a lot more difficult than passing a law, stiring up violence and hatred, and pointing a gun to someone's head (as Prof. Richard Weaver put it, "Stamping out evil thereby spreading it"):barf: (BTW, some of the best men and Kings in History were also slave owners. Does that per se make them beneath contempt?)

Invasion of your home state (to enforce unlawful edicts by centralizers), is one reason that a militia independent of the Federal government (especially after it has ceased to be Federal) is neccessary.

as much as we have tried to stay away from the War between the states, it does have a central part in the discussion of what a militia is and why it is necessary because the principle of states rights are secured by a militia.

I have heard several people in here use state defense force and national guard interchangeably. They are actually two different things. State Defense forces are controled exclusively by the state not the federal government. State defense forces (militias in essence) started making a comeback around the Vietnam era, I believe, when federalized national guard units were being sent to Vietnam. States put together state defense forces for riot control and natural disasters. (wikipedia doesn't mention this, but I think I heard or read this somewhere) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Force
 
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There seems to me to be a need for an active militia at the moment, at least in some places. The places I have in mind are along the coast where smugglers (sounds very 18th century, doesn't it) land their wares and along the southern border where smuggling of a different sort takes place. While there is a National Guard, which really is under state control (the governor) as long as they are not federalized and out of the country (thereby depriving the state (the governor) of a military force). I use the word state to mean state like in Texas, not the federal government. The need for additional protection is highly localized but it appears to be real and unmet. Also, these units would only be organized where there is actually an unmet need. There has to be an actual untility for this force. Wyoming might not need one just yet.

Furthermore, these units would probably not need to be around big cities but rather in rural areas along the borders and coast. Members ideally would be outdoors type people who already had the necessary skills, though not necessarily prior military experience.

I would refer you to the Minutemen. What is/was the response of the pro-illegal alien contingent (Republican and Democrat) to the Minutemen? They tried to disband them, they tried to discredit them, they tried to prosecute them. When these attempts failed..then they found a place for them. Began setting rules they could live with. Now they utilize them to a degree. Are the Minutemen technically militia?
 
Re-fighting the Civil War and Hitler comparisons are off topic to this thread.

Keep it on track and the thread will remian open and no-one will get shown the door. :barf:
 
"I have heard several people in here use state defense force and national guard interchangeably. They are actually two different things. State Defense forces are controled exclusively by the state not the federal government."

Doug,

It doesn't seem that the Feds quite see it the same way...

"Title 32, Section 109, chapter 1 and paragraph C of the U.S. Code:

(c) In addition to its National Guard, if any, a State or
Territory, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, or the District of
Columbia MAY, as provided by its laws, organize and maintain
defense forces. A defense force established under this section MAY
be used within the jurisdiction concerned, as its chief executive
(or commanding general in the case of the District of Columbia)
considers necessary, but it may not be called, ordered, or drafted
into the armed forces.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/caseco...ction_109.html

There is legislation pending in Congress to "to improve the readiness of State defense forces and to increase military coordination for homeland security between the States and the Department of Defense." H.R. 826 finds the following:

(1) Domestic threats to national security and the increased use of National Guard forces for out-of-State deployments greatly increase the potential for service by members of State defense forces established under section 109(c) of title 32, United States Code.

(2) The efficacy of State defense forces is impeded by lack of clarity in the Federal regulations concerning those forces, particularly in defining levels of coordination and cooperation between those forces and the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security.

(3) The State defense forces suffer from lack of standardized military training, arms, equipment, support, and coordination with the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security and other Federal agencies as a result of real and perceived Federal regulatory impediments. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...temp/~bdXDlV::

Whereas, state defense forces (as the National Guard) exist only through the benevolence of federal law/government, and are therefore, in reality, subject to "federal regulatory impediments", the militia on the other hand, is not bound by federal law, but subject only to the Constitution and the state, so long as the state does not infringe upon its existence.

Diana
 
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From what you post, it doesn't quite look like that state defense forces exist because of the federal government, nor does the federal government have any control. It could easily be interpreted another way.

In addition to its National Guard, if any, a State or
Territory, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, or the District of
Columbia MAY, as provided by its laws, organize and maintain
defense forces. A defense force established under this section MAY
be used within the jurisdiction concerned, as its chief executive (as in the governor)(or commanding general in the case of the District of Columbia)
considers necessary, but it may not be called, ordered, or drafted
into the armed forces
.


(2) The efficacy of State defense forces is impeded by lack of clarity in the Federal regulations concerning those forces, particularly in defining levels of coordination and cooperation between those forces and the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security.
A militia can still be regulated by the Federal government in the sense that militia of say Louisiana can't be ordered by Governer Blancointhehead into Texas without Governer Perry's permission.
Also, the words cooperation and coordination imply just that, cooperation with as opposed to subject to the federal government


I heard a Constitutional attorney from the Thomas Goode Jones school of law in Alabama named Dr. John Eidsmoe suggest that during the 10 Commandments situation, that the governor of Alabama could have used the state defense force to keep federal authorities from moving them out of the Alabama court. If the national guard had been used to do this, then the president could have just federalized them. But the state defense force answers only to the governor of the state and cannot be federalized. As a strict constructionist of the Constitution Dr. Eidsmoe liked this idea because, to him, the idea of state defense forces is a large step to the old militia concept in defending State's Rights

On the other hand, even though it is SUPPOSED to be controlled exclusively by the state, the feds always leave themselves a loophole

The U.S. Constitution, coupled with several statutory and case laws, details the relationship of the State Defense Forces to the federal government. Outside 32 USC 109, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled: "It is true that the state defense forces 'may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the armed forces.' 32 U.S.C. 109(c). It is nonetheless possible that they are subject to call under 10 U.S.C. 331-333, which distinguish the 'militia' from the 'armed forces,' and which appear to subject all portions of the 'militia' - organized or not - to call if needed for the purposes specified in the Militia Clauses" Perpich v. Department of Defense, 496 U.S. 334 (1990). The following is an extract of the laws which the U.S. Supreme Court cited giving the federal government authority to activate the State Defense Forces.

10 USC 331 - “Federal aid for State governments”

Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.

10 USC 332 – “Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority”

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

10 USC 333 – “Interference with State and Federal law”

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it -

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

I wonder if any of the SDF would comply if the the president or supreme or federal court unconstitutionally ordered them to do something against their homestate or against the orders of their governor. I would like to think not. That's the spirt we need in a true militia. Dr. Eidsmoe is a retired Air Force Colonel, and is also a Colonel in the Alabama Defense Force.
 
Shield20, much of what you posted is true. However, the devil is in the details.

The government control we are talking about is in specific, local control. In general, it was the State that had the ultimate authority over the militia (with three notable exceptions, as per Art. I Section 8, clause 15). But that's in general.

A militia was and is a local thing. Some States still have such laws on the books, even if they are sitting unused. Let me give you an example from Idaho law (Title 50 chapter 6):

50-606. POLICE POWERS OF MAYOR. The mayor shall have such jurisdiction as may be vested in him by ordinance over all places within five (5) miles of the corporate limits of the city, for the enforcement of any health or quarantine ordinance and regulation thereof, and shall have jurisdiction in all matters vested in him by ordinance, except taxation, within one (1) mile of the corporate limits of said city and over such properties as may be owned by the city without the corporate limits.

50-609. MAYOR MAY REQUIRE AID IN ENFORCING LAW. The mayor is hereby authorized to call on every resident in the city over twenty-one (21) years of age to aid in enforcing the laws.

The statutes above give the local Mayor fairly complete autonomy within his lawful jurisdiction.

At the County level, the Sherif is empowered to do the same.

Then there is the State level. Idaho mirrors the US laws at Title 10 Chapter 13 section 311 of the US Code.

So while it is true that the militia has been neglected, the appropriate laws are in place should the need become active.

Again, it is at the local level that the militia are the most effective. That is as it always has been.

State Defense Forces can not be a standing Army (Art. I, sec. 10, clause 3) in time of peace. Because of this, all State Defense Forces must be the unorganized militia and not subject to federal authority except as specified under 10 U.S.C. 331-333 (Art. I sec. 8, clause 16). Any talk of the SDF being under 32 USC is a false assumption as Title 32 is specific to the Guard. Otherwise, we must assume that SDF's are in fact the Guard and not some autonomous militia of the State.

Remember, in time of peace, only the Feds can keep an Army. Thus the Guard is the Army, regardless of what it is called.

While it may or may not be a fine line as to if we are presently at war now, we haven't always been this way. What we call "Title 32" has been in existence since 1916 with the enactment of the National Defense Act of 1916.

Note that section 109(a) says: (a) In time of peace, a State or Territory, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, or the District of Columbia may maintain no troops other than those of its National Guard and defense forces authorized by subsection (c).

This was changed in 1956. It originally said: (a) In time of peace, a State or Territory, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, or the District of Columbia may maintain no troops other than those as authorized in accordance with the organization prescribed under this Act.

Note the underlined portions. The original spoke to the militia. Not so the revised 1956 text.

Again, the militia was a local force. It fell under nominal State control, to be sure, but it was local in character and control.
 
Respectfully, Al...and others...

How can the militia whose existence is GUARANTEED by the Constitution of the United States be AUTHORIZED/REGULATED/PERMITTED to exist by federal law other than to be called up in the service of the United States "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions" as specified by the Constitution? If it can be authorized, it can be unauthorized too!!! Neither the National Guard OR state defense forces are the true militia guaranteed by the 2nd amendment of the Constitution.

Besides "authorization" of the militia by the federal government being unConsitutional, state defense forces do not meet the definition of the militia by the very fact that they CANNOT be called up by the federal government "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions".

Diana
 
Al,

This is what confused me:

"State Defense Forces can not be a standing Army (Art. I, sec. 10, clause 3) in time of peace. Because of this, all State Defense Forces must be the unorganized militia and not subject to federal authority except as specified under 10 U.S.C. 331-333 (Art. I sec. 8, clause 16)."

I'm sorry if I'm being a little dense here. I thought you were saying that state defense forces ARE the same thing as the unorganized militia. I admit that it didn't seem to fit with the rest of what you said. Now I think what you are saying here is that state defense forces should be the unorganized milita, but because they are being authorized by the government, they are not??? Did I get it right?

Diana
*wiping the egg off her face* :rolleyes:
 
My 2 Cents

In 1917 the state guard(now national guard) could not be sent over seas,only used in the united states.the officers were intergrated in the regular army.(losing their rank).in 1930? the guard was made a component of the army reserve.the supreme court ruled in 1980??that the gov could federalise the guard and sent it to south america over the objections of the governers.the names on the armories is being changed to army national guard.

There are still state guard units.I know of two.one in RI and one in Mass.I believe Texas and another have them.

The militas have far more weapons than you can believe.read the adds inshotgun news and think.enough said.
 
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Their was a poster on here...

whos sig was something to the effect of a japanese leader saying "invading mainland usa would be suicide. there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." i am paraphrasing as i cant remember exactly what they said. I would hope if we were ever invaded that people would stand up and fight. I have less guns than most members here and I have enough for each member of my family to be packing a rifle, shotgun, and handgun if they were able. I have an AK-47, a bolt Savage .308, a Rem 870 12g with extended mag, a ruger .357 mag, and a SA 1911 Longslide among others. I would think I would be able to put up at least some resistance.
 
Here is a link to an excellent article from "News With Views" about the shootings a VT and how it relates to the Militia. Very timely and interesting, IMO. Link:http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin53.htm

p.s. Rock on, Diana! You're doing a great job explaining what the Militia really is. You too, Antipitas!
ONE GUN TOO FEW

Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
April 20, 2007
NewsWithViews.com
What the Washington Times of Tuesday, 17 April, aptly headlined as the “Massacre at Virginia Tech” is a tragedy that should—that must—teach this country a number of serious lessons.

First, that all so-called “gun-free zones” are exceedingly dangerous places. For all “gun-free zones” amount to “self-defense prohibition zones” for honest citizens, and therefore “free-fire zones” for psychopaths, “terrorists,” and other homicidal criminals. If common sense did not, certainly the experiences documented by researchers such as John Lott confirm that the less “gun free” an area is (in terms of firearms in the immediate possession of honest citizens ready and willing to use them), the less violent crime occurs there.

Virginia Tech has long been a “gun-free zone” for the purposes of its students’ self-defense. In the name of preventing violence, the university has prohibited every student with a Virginia license to carry a concealed firearm from doing so on campus. Surely debatable is whether such a regulation is even legal—given that such a license is a Virginia statutory right of any individual who qualifies for it (and, I should argue, a constitutional right as well) that no mere administrative body has any authority to deny. Beyond dispute is that events have written in blood just how disastrously that idea worked on Monday, 16 April 2007: Apparently everyone among the student body obeyed the edict, except the killer. The regulation perhaps disarmed students who might otherwise have legally been carrying a firearm with which they could have stopped the killer in his tracks. And the police, who were armed and on the campus, proved ineffective, because they were not on the scene.

This points up the second lesson—that police, even when they happen to be close at hand, cannot possibly protect Americans against unexpected homicidal attacks by psychopaths or “terrorists” determined to carry out their plans even if it costs them their own lives.

The first fatal incident at Virginia Tech occurred at about 7:15 a.m. Campus police responded, and found a man and a woman shot in a dormitory (West Ambler Johnston Hall). Although the police “locked down” the dormitory, the first incident apparently did not raise any suspicions or concerns about the possibility of further shootings. And it caused no heightened level of general security to be invoked elsewhere on the campus, the only action taken by university officials being an e-mail vaguely informing students that a “shooting incident” had occurred (Washington Times, p. A12).

About two hours later, around 9:15 a.m. (according to USA Today, p. 6A) or 9:45 a.m. (according to the Washington Post, p. A1), the killer began methodically shooting people in another building some half-mile across the campus (Norris Hall). And the police could do—or at least did—nothing to stop him. (Eventually, he stopped himself, by committing suicide.)

To be sure, it is virtually impossible to “lock down” an entire university the size of Virginia Tech at a moment’s notice. And such a course of action would be especially difficult to justify as a response to what reasonably appears to be an isolated incident in only one building. But what else could the police have done, other than (as they did) to arrive only after the fact to succor the wounded and otherwise survey the carnage in Norris Hall?

The third lesson arising out of the events at Virginia Tech will be taught in the very near future: that, in reaction to the rather convincing proof of their own ineffectiveness against a sudden outburst of homicidal violence, university and police bureaucracies—and, inevitably, politicians and special-interest groups, too—will seek to impose ever-more-intrusive police-state controls on colleges and universities, if not all of society, in the name of “safety.”

As the Establishment media crank up their disinformation apparatus, Americans can expect to be bombarded with hysterical demands for:

more campus police—but never enough to prevent the homicides that will inevitably occur just beyond their presence;
surveillance cameras and other 1984ish gadgetry—effective perhaps to record the killings, but never to stop them;
reliance on high-tech student ID cards—which a demented assassin or “terrorist” plant who is also a student will of course have; and the ever-flowing political snake oil of
general “gun control” to disarm everyone—except the “terrorists,” psychopaths, and common murderers who will obey no “gun bans” in any event.
Unfortunately, but predictably, all too many Americans will not notice the illogic of these demands. The authorities at Virginia Tech failed to provide safety with the rather extensive powers they already had. Yet, according to “safety-at-any-cost” school of thought, society must now acquiesce in public officials’ and bureaucrats’ assertion of even more power, trusting them to use the added increment wisely—but never asking whether the reason they proved unsuccessful in the first place was not the insufficiency of the powers they had, but their refusal, neglect, or failure to employ those powers properly. For, in that case, the very last thing they should be given is any additional, potentially highly abusive power to misuse.

The fourth lesson from Virginia Tech is that one obvious (albeit only partial) alternative to a police-state solution for campus security would be to allow holders of Virginia permits to carry concealed firearms on campus. This would bring into play the only type of “gun control” that Americans should tolerate, and the only type of “gun control” that might have saved some lives in Norris Hall: an honest citizen’s sharp eye and steady hand in the defense of himself, his family, and his friends.

Perhaps some student who could legally have carried a concealed firearm and used it to stop the killing, but in compliance with the university’s regulation did not, will come forward to explain why there was one gun too few at Virginia Tech. Should that turn out to be the case, God help the administrators who adopted such a misguided policy. But even if it does not, the possibility should be precluded in the future, by rescinding such policies—at Virginia Tech and in every other institution of higher learning throughout Virginia and every other State.

The fifth lesson is that, although to a significant degree necessary, reliance on holders of permits to carry concealed firearms will probably not be sufficient to provide adequate security for college students, let alone for the general public throughout society, in an era in which homicidal (often coupled with suicidal) violence has increasingly become the tactic of choice to resolve complex personal as well as political problems. Inasmuch as a holder of a Virginia permit to carry a concealed firearm must be at least 21 years of age, whereas many college students range in age from only 18 to 20; and inasmuch as not everyone qualified by age will seek a permit; and inasmuch as even those who do obtain a permit may not carry their firearms regularly—the pool of students actually armed on campus will be far smaller than the population of the university as a whole.

Moreover, the university community cannot, in justice or reason, expect holders of concealed-carry permits to assume the primary responsibility for protecting their fellow students, faculty, and staff whenever and wherever the police do not. Especially because, outside of the privilege of self-defense, they have no particular legal authority to do so, and enjoy no clear-cut legal immunity from civil or criminal charges—perhaps specious, but nonetheless necessitous of litigation— if circumstances compel them to use deadly force against aggressors.

More is required. But what?

The sixth lesson from the Virginia Tech tragedy is that Virginians—indeed, Americans in every State—cannot expect the present gaggle of public officials and politicians to answer this question on their own initiatives and by their own lights. Again and again these people have proven themselves clueless, feckless, and reckless with regard to what constitutes true “homeland security” and how to achieve it.

According to the Washington Times, authorities at Virginia Tech decided not to cancel classes after the first homicidal event (in which two people were fatally shot), because they imagined that they were investigating only an isolated incident (page A1). Even if that story truly accounted for their behavior, though, it did not explain why they had never designed, let alone put into operation, a plan to protect against, thwart, or even respond in a timely manner to the type of rampage that took place some two hours later on the same campus.

Instead, the Washington Times reported Virginia Tech President Charles W. Steger as saying that “t’s one of those things that no one anticipated.” Yet any competent plan for security in these times of possible “terrorist” attacks should anticipate “the lone gunman,” “the suicide bomber,” or other homicidal fanatic or lunatic, intent for malign personal, political, or delusional reasons on killing large numbers of innocent people in schools, malls, sports stadia, or other crowded public facilities and places, even at the cost of his own life.

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