What Happens to the Defective C&B's?

whoa there fellas- the gun parts are not mine ! just what a few other people have laying around

Clembert, I was thinking the same thing- have heard the new replicas are better "tensile strength", but would have to see it to believe it.

Unfortunately, this would require what's called "destructive testing"- a pullman test, and grain structure samples of the gun. That means cutting it up into little pieces, machining it into a small table leg shape, then pulling it apart on a special machine, that registers at what force/time it breaks. The grains structure pieces are polished on a special table using various grits of sandpaper disks, then etched with acid, then looked at under a microscope for uniformity/size of the grains. Hardness testing is non-invasive, and a barrel/cylinder/frame could be spot checked, just leaves a small pock mark in the gun- and a reading taken that tells how hard the metal is.

the Italian mfrs. know how "good" their steel is- but they aren't saying- that makes me ask, why ? If they were using top-notch steels like the ROA, chrome moly or stainless, rest assured they'd be bragging about it, because it would be a selling point and advertising feature
 
Indeed, "Olyinaz"- you've been ignoring me so much, you were compelled to reply to this thread.:D

I'd get that "ignore" button checked, it appears to be malfunctioning- is it brass, or steel ? (chuckle...)


DD: well said. It takes guts to be a man of conviction, my thanks to you and the others who posted similarly.
 
Durability.

I've been shooting my 1860 Pietta steel frame Armys for about 4 years. They have far more rounds fired than Colt ever envisioned his guns would shoot as I shoot at least 3 and sometimes four matches a month. During the summer months that will include at least one "weekend" shoot a month. I have broken handsprings, a trigger and one trigger spring in that time. I shoot a moderate load of around 25-28 grs of FFFg.
Sounds pretty durable to me
 
I'm glad to hear your Pietta has given good service, because I just bought one for $130 plus shipping. Always wanted an 1860 Army, and finally found a steel frame one used for the right price. Still kicking myself in the butt for not buying the CVA 1860 at a gun show last January for $135. There's no doubt in my mind, a good steel frame gun will give long service. The failure issues are with the brass frame guns primarily.
 
a pile of Colt brass frames, all with pulled out stripped arbors, and loose arbors- the results of poor buying decision on many brass frame guns
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I'm jus' gonna add this reply to the undocumented accusations and findings of Brass frames that have stripped arbors. This is where common sense and particular judgement come into play by shooters using 30gr or more of Black Powder or equivalent. If you strip out one or two Brass framed Colts, why would you continue to by more and shoot the same loads expecting differant results. The words "Shear Stupidity" come to mind.
And why would anyone go to all the trouble of posting other peoples junk on the internet to prove there are others with a learning problem just as difficult as you have.
Don't buy a brass frame rev if you don't know how to take care of it...go buy a .454 Casull or something... Leave the people alone that know what they are doin' and find something else to bitch about to someone else.
What a joke :O)
Better yet go back to air guns... I'm sure it would be much more accurate than your farts in the wind are here... :O) HeeHeeHee!
I know you gotta be a joker with all the ill fated humor you have posted... if you are serious, I have empathy for you...

That's about all I will need to say on this thread. Y
 
I don't get it. Three of those Remington frames were steel. One of those Colt frames had no screws, and one had a cut for a shoulder stock, but no extended screws to hold the top of the stock. All steel parts look rusty as if they had been in water for a while. Too many springs to just have come from those guns.

So my thoughts are that the photos are not what they are being represented to be. I think somebody (You know who you are Capt.) is trying to fake things.

Why, I don't know. That's just the conclusion I come to. Do any of you think the same?

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
Doc, denial is not a river in Egypt.;)

Those are all Italian made guns/parts, that over the years broke down, and were sold off for parts/thrown away, and hoarded by collectors/gun shops/private owners, or traded, etc. I'm not trying to fake anything, that's what the people have, some of it is for sale.

Believe it, these brass framed import guns can and do literally fall apart, just read around the net on historical accounts as such. Even the "better" guns like Uberti and Pietta, have a very spotty history.

I can vouch for one brand that seems better than the rest, the old CVA brand with steel frames- they demanded quality. Not the brass frames though.
 
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OH BOY? maybe we should have a thread
just for the cap.




hey, I thought you guys from Arizona used REAL Colt pistols, made in USA by Colt, not brass imported pistols ...:D

that'd be like a Pa. anthracite coal cracker buying coal from China

correction: the thread title should be "what happens to defective BRASS FRAMED C&B's"

alternate title:

"arrrgh, damn, I got drunk and bought a brass framed Colt pistol !!! " :barf:

now here, here...((laughter...)

LOL !!!!!
 
OK all my pistols are steel, i never said they where brass,
but haveing said that , remeber i did say i made a 58 out
of bits and bats parts just for the hell of it, the tuco gun
club, but my 58 shooters are REAL steel, and as for colt
ah why pay for a name, i have had my 58 for years and
years with no probs.:D
 
I think somebody (You know who you are Capt.) is trying to fake things.

Why, I don't know. That's just the conclusion I come to. Do any of you think the same.
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Now, now, the Cap'n is just doin' what the Cap'n does. Find entertainment in it and life is good! :D

Buck Private Beeman, signing off.
 
I asked because there were a couple of recent reports about hammers battering the steel frames of new 1858 Piettas.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=447694

That along with the multitude of other new C&B gun defects that have been posted about over the years, and which have led many of us to recommend that folks buy from dealers that have a "no questions asked" return policy like Cabela's has.
 
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