What Filler and Grease do you recommend for loading?

I've just measured my Walker cylinder with and without powder...

Cylinder is 1.775 inches deep (45mm)
19gr of powder leaves a gap of 1.2 inches (30mm)
.457 ball if just to the end of the cylinder would leave a gap of .743 inches (18.8mm).
So there is a gap of 3/4 of an inch that needs filling with a filler or a wad... and wads ain't that big.... so how does that work?

Max powder to allow ball to be just loaded in each cylinder would be 55grains.

Cheers
Gaz
 
I did ask earlier in one of my posts about using multiple wads and got told that just using one would do... that's why I just measured everything..... also do you push the ball in as far as the loading lever will let you or do you have to get it flush with the open end of the cylinder?

For filler I'm using ground Semolina but have tried cracked wheat... Semolina is a bit fine whereas the cracked wheat is much courser and doesn't stick to everything.

Cheers
Gaz
 
Crack wheat is better, since it will "give" and compress.

You want the ball ~flush with the cylinder face (and
therefore as close to the barrel/forcing cone as possible)
Gauge the amount of your filler on that reqm't.
 
I like my home-made wads, puts a little lube in the barrel andmakes cleaning easier.
As for filler rarely bother with it, most of my shooting is just ringing steal. I keep one or another c&b pistol loaded and capped at all times and "unload" it weekly.
If I have only shot 6 to 12 rounds the second patch comes out clean, I use home made powder solvent on patches of old flannel
 
I don't see why everybody is so obsessed with getting the ball close to the edge of the chamber mouth. I don't see any accuracy improvement from doing it. As long as there's no air between ball and powder it's good to go.
 
I agree with Hawg 1000%.

Priority No. 1: NO AIR GAP between powder and ball.

Priority No. 27: ball loaded as close to mouth of chamber as possible.

What need to do, in order to answer your question about loading the ball close to the chamber mouth, is forget about the internet 'experts' and shoot some balls.

Load all six with powder (as much or as little as you want), wad and ball, placing the ball as deep in the chamber as needed to ensure no air gap. That is, firmly on top of the wad and the wad firmly on top of the powder.

Shoot it, from a rest and measure your group size.

Repeat, except use enough inert filler to place the ball close to the chamber mouth - load powder (the same amount as above), then wad, placed firmly on powder, then filler, firmly on wad, then ball, firmly on filler.

Shoot it again, from a rest and measure the group size.

Then reflect on the results. And if you have any more questions, set up a test to see what happens.

And post the results here.
 
filler / grease

no filler. charge your load enough so filler is not necessary.
Grease, naw I wouldn't use that.
A lube for BP on the otherhand ok.
Years ago CVA made patch grease it was good.
Today we have T.C. Bore butter, a little too soft for lube or over ball
but ok when rubbed into a patch.
Same with wonder lube and a few others.
If you want an overball lube, which really isn't necessary if you loaded right to begin with.
Beewax and tallow everybody will have their favorite ratio, and type of tallow.
Tallow is just lard = refined animal fat.
Use what is easiest to get and priced for your pocket book.
start with 50 / 50 and adjust for your needs and desires.
 
no filler. charge your load enough so filler is not necessary.
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You may not be able to achieve maximum accuracy this way.

For example, my Colt Walker shoots best accuracy with 45 grains of powder. It will hold 60.

I don't know if my loading ram will push the ball deep enough to seat on 45 grains of powder.


I use filler to make up the difference.


Steve
 
Used to use filler. I don't believe its needed. Powder, ox wad, ball. Shoots well, no need to mess with it.
I can't say that seating the ball closer to the chamber mouth produces any more accuracy. Perhaps in target matches it does help. For myself I'm not going to bother with it again.
 
I guess I'm an odd ball. As long as I can hit Coke cans offhand at 25 yards more often than not I couldn't care less about how well it groups. I'm not a paper puncher. About the only time I punch paper is with a new gun to see how it shoots or sighting in. Punching paper bores me to tears. If that's all I could do I wouldn't even bother to shoot.
 
As long as I can hit Coke cans offhand at 25 yards more often than not I couldn't care less about how well it groups.
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But if you want to hit that can more often than not then you do care about the group. The group has to be smaller than a can at 25 yards or more often than not you'll miss.

You just have a different means of measuring your group size.

Personally, I don't care what the target is as long as I can hit a 4" circle at 15 yards, and the closer to center the better. Paper, clay pigeons, ceramic tiles, it's all good as long as I can hit it.

I'm going to do some experiments to determine the maximum load possible without filler that results in the ball seating on the powder. Then I am going to do some load work-ups with loads from that point to maximum with no filler and see what kinds of groups are produced. I'll do this with a Pietta 1860, Pietta 1858, and Uberti Walker.

Steve
 
I'm going to do some experiments to determine the maximum load possible without filler that results in the ball seating on the powder. Then I am going to do some load work-ups with loads from that point to maximum with no filler and see what kinds of groups are produced. I'll do this with a Pietta 1860, Pietta 1858, and Uberti Walker.

Steve
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I look forward to reading your results.

Cheers
Gaz
 
This is 10 shots fired last week at the Nationals at Friendship Indiana at
25 yds with a Remington revolver by a English friend of mine. We all load
the same way to achieve accuracy like this.

 
Folks like to say their way is the best when killing cans.

But if you watch the Masters and High Masters, they all load the same.

Takes a 95 at 25 yards to be on the board and 85 at 50 yards. I am slowly closing in.
 
I really perfer not to list loads. Everybody has their own perfect load they use.
And that is good. Can shooting is a lot different than trying to get the very best
out of your revolver at 50 yds in competition shooting. Both are having fun and
that's what it's all about. If I were to post loads and method of loading it would
only start arguments. We need more fun. I will say I and the guys I shoot with
at the Nationals all load the same. We all use the same load also. There are no
secrets .
 
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