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If you're threatened - ACT

What Coop said. Mindset is everything. I realize this is thread drift, but . . .

In the late '70's I sorta bought into the 'sensitve male' BS and found my self is a stupid situation where I was being physically abused by a twerp who I had 50-60# and 6" on, much to the amusement of his two buddies ( I was 6'3", 220# at the time, playing a lot of raquetball and swimming a lot of distance a couple times a week).

For whatever reason, the gestalt (sp?) switch finally flipped, I realized how silly I was for letting this happen - I can take this punk apart, and I went neanderthal on him - quick jab to the nose, left to the gut, stood him up with a knee to the face, and I picked him up and bounced him off a brick wall (his buddies had vanished, for some reason -), a couple of kicks to the ribs to make sure he was 'pacified'. It was immensely satisfying. Fortunately, there was no repercussions, i.e. LEO involvement . . .

I'm now a good bit older and no where in that kind of shape,but as someone said, a poor plan executed immediately is better that a brilliant plan on the table. If you're threatened, carpe diem if you can.

It's very hard to get across to today's crop of politically correct, diversity celebrating ninnies that you do not owe anyone who is threatening/intimidating, or even just bothering you any particular courtesy.

I know this has been discussed a lot here, but it's true - if they don't take a simple 'no thank you/I can't help you/etc.' it's time to get firm (and maybe loud) about 'leave me alone!' By all means, just get away if you can, but 'being polite' is little compensation when you're in the hospital.

Sorry for rambling, but bottom line, if you feel the situation is queer, remove yourself from the situation as best you can. Mindset!
 
Guy deliberately fans back his coat and grips a holstered handgun.
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That is definitely brandishing and is a punishable offense.:eek: Class 1 misdemeanor. If that Best Buy was within 1000' of a school, class 6 Felony.

http://law.justia.com/virginia/codes/toc1802000/18.2-282.html

I would have tried to get his license plate number and reported the incident, even if the cops "can't do anything because we didn't see it happen" as I've been often told.
 
Sounds like a range of <3ft. He's gonna get hurt, bad; and disarmed. The best defense if a violent offense. He'd expect you to back off. Wrong!

Stay safe. and smart.
Bob
 
She said that no one else saw it and she felt uncomfortable making a scene.
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This is the way society trains women to react. It's there from our very earliest days. Boys are taught not to cry (or not to cry loudly). Girls are taught to play quietly and to "make nice" when someone is too rough with them. We suck those lessons in with our mother's milk and have them reinforced throughout our lives and it's only by the sheerest stubborn willpower some of us overcome the lessons ... sometimes ... under extreme stress. But standing up and making a scene is a learned reaction, not the "natural" one. The default setting is to make nice.

Yes, it's wrong.

Yes, it's stupid.

Yes, it gets people killed.

And yes, it leads a lot of women to do incredibly foolish things like hanging around a bully who threatens them rather than leaving immediately to get the manager or to call 911.

But it's real and it's powerful and it's not easy to overcome.

It's why some subway gropers can get their jollies during the commute every day for years without getting caught ... because even in this day and age, most women are STILL more afraid of "making a scene" than they are of getting groped by a passing stranger.

It's why too many forcible rapes go unreported. Reporting a rape is "making a scene." And for what? So that a lot of strangers can poke and prod at your body and your motives, imply that you had it coming, point out all the stupid things you did that gave the criminal the chance to commit his crime -- and probably won't get him convicted anyway after all that. Better just to avoid making that scene in the first place.

And it's why the majority of date rapes go unreported too. Those cases are even worse on the "making a scene" front. Even the most egregious date rapes can be impossible to prosecute in court, because too often both involved parties can be telling the absolute truth from their perspectives. She did in fact tell him to stop, while he did in fact believe she had consented and was simply play-acting at 'no.' It happens because too many women have never learned how to "make a scene" when they need to. This is not blaming the victim, simply an acknowledgement of the way things actually are as opposed to how we wish they were.

This is also why some men think that they can just talk their wives into taking a class and carrying a gun, without ever realizing that what's needed is a mindset change that goes a whole lot deeper than showing up at a one- or two-day class and buying a piece of hardware. And that learning to value her own life, her own being, enough to protect herself will fundamentally change her, change her in ways he cannot possibly anticipate and possibly won't like.

Because, you know, we do have a word for a woman who is willing to "make a scene" in public, when threatened or simply bullied. Here's the word:

Bitch.

That's what a woman has to be willing to be, and to be perceived as, simply in order to do what most guys see as the sensible thing to do in a situation like this. (Be honest with yourselves, guys. Flip the situation just a tiny little bit, and most people here would be posting something like, "Wow, what a bitch. She just saw a glimpse of his legally-carried gun and called the cops!!?")

As a 40 year old woman, I'm finally at peace with my inner bitch. It wasn't an easy journey. And it still hurts -- hurts in ways it's difficult to express -- to know that people perceive me as a bitch when I refuse to quietly accede to being bullied. I never have been good at being pushed around, something that makes me a rather "unfeminine" woman even when dressed in frills.

No, I don't have any solutions. I'm simply admiring the problem.

Don't be too hard on the woman. She reacted exactly as she's been taught to react since the day she was born.

If that bothers you, teach your daughters differently.
 
Real tough guy pulling that crap on a woman,,,,maybe some woman he tries that on in the future steps back and says something to the effect, "You gonna skin that smoke wagon or just stand there and bleed."

You never know who you are going to come up against and must be prepared for all.

He is a poster child for the anti-ccw crowd and the quicker he loses his right, the better.

Glad she walked away,,,,but we as a nation have got to stop putting up with bullying tactics!!!!
 
+100 on the "bitch" concept, Kathy.

I have two t-shirts I'm very fond of. One reads "Alpha Bitch" that I bought at a dog show. The other reads "I'm not A bitch, I'm THE bitch, and that's Ms. Bitch to you."

In over twenty years doing Greyhound rescue and adoption, caring for as many as 35 dogs at a time, I've learned a great deal about how a good Alpha Bitch operates. I hope to be a credit to my teachers.
 
she did good if it were me i would ask him to remain clam and that theres no reason to start shooting and if he backed off id call the police. if the gun came out of the holster its on like donkey kong
 
I likely would have called the cops if this had happened to me. I think they'd deem that gesture as brandishment, that is, he did it with intent to intimidate/threaten. While I'm glad your friend came out ok, I would not have turned my back on that guy. That's the kind of gun owner that needs his CCW revoked.
 
If that guy keeps doing that crap, he's gonna get killed.

On the "bitch" concept, it can be sort of the reverse for males, but no better.

I grew up learning to deal with my own problems, and even if another kid does something horrible, if you inform an adult, you are a "tattle-tale". That's how society has trained me to look at things, and that's the way I do it. I get assertive and don't need any help with my problems.

There's a word for people like me: A-hole. I admit it.

I'm not trying to take anything away from pax's post, which I completely agree with, just saying that society does damage to all people, not just females.
 
Guy deliberately fans back his coat and grips a holstered handgun.
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JERK!!!:mad:

As a lifelong advocate of firearms ownership, stuff like that is the last thing I need to hear to make me REALLY ANGRY.

Now we wonder why so many antis call us psychos. It's because of misfits like the one above that shouldn't even be allowed to see a PICTURE of a gun, not to mention actually carrying one.
 
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Amen to Pax.

Pax, my three week old daughter is in a sling on my front as I write this: thanks for your wisdom. I will be teaching my daughter differently.

Bravo.
 
No way, he pulled back his coat as if to say, "you can't talk back to me, I HAVE A GUN!" which is also to say, "I'll shoot you if you don't shut up" NO WAY! If someone did that to my loving Girlfriend of 5 years (My common law wife until i can afford the perfect ring) My internal Bomb would detonate and i'd break that guy's Arm.... Call me brash or even stupid but a threat is a threat and i will not take that lightly! Pointing at your gun is saying, "i have it and will use it" which tells me i can defend myself. I'm sorry your friend came across that useless waste of space. I can't help but think about how much it makes me mad that my innocent brother was killed needlessly while Dirtbags like him are allowed to walk free... But i guess if it was perfect it'd be called Heaven, not earth. Glad to hear she's ok.
 
Didn't read all but in Florida that is at minimum AG assault. It likely would be Ag Assault, assault with a deadly weapon, public display of a firearm. and maybe even terroristic threat would be tagged on. Likely several felony convictions! Loss of gun rights which he seriously deserves!
Brent
 
Friend turns and says.. We're all waiting, and you need to be patient like the rest of us.

Guy deliberately fans back his coat and grips a holstered handgun.
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That's brandishing at least, no question. A clear threat.

I think the woman should have RUN, screaming "gun", out of the line to a safe location and called 911. Running demonstrates her fear for her life and sounds the alarm.

Admittedly that gives the brandisher what he wanted, her place in line, but personal safety is more important. The law would have evened things up :D Especially, as I wager this person did not have a CCL; at least I hope not, in which case being found in illegal possession of a firearm would have ensured her story was believed.

But seriously, what was the gunman going to do in this situation, worst case? Unless he was out of his mind, nothing! He had no realistic options. In fact, nothing did happen when the woman turned her back on him (somewhat ill-advisedly, but courageous). It is clear she knew nothing about gun law or strategy, and in her circumstances, her reaction was the least likely to escalate the situation. And she gave up nothing. A win!

The lesson here is that everyone, armed or not, should know something about how to react when a gun is produced aggressively.

C
 
This stuff really makes me real mad:mad:.

A good friend of mine once saw a guy park in a handicapped spot (he had no placard and was not handicapped) so he said something to him and the guy broke bad eventually pulling out a gun. Nobody was hurt but I chastised my friend for not calling the cops. I say that if I ever saw that sort of thing I would be on the cell phone fast to 911 and do everything to have that clown prosecuted. We owe it to ourselves to help rid the CCW community of these cretins
 
At least one person above me stated that we're over reacting, that we'd hate to see a news story about a person 'accidentally' getting a view of a legal CCW's gun.

The Nevada Revised Statutes are very clear, that threatening someone with a firearm is a major no-no.

I personally like an idea above of making a loud scene, yelling "He's got a gun!!!" Man, I'd kind of like to see how those yellow shirt security guys react to that.
 
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