What do you think the problem is?

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scooter71

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"Fact Sheet on Firearms Violence Among Black Children and Youth

Black youths have higher rates of firearm homicide than any other racial/ethnic group.

The firearms homicide rate for black youths is more than twice the rate for Hispanic youths, more than three times the rate for Asian youths and nearly 10 times the rate for white youths."

Pasted from this web page:
http://www.vpc.org/press/0004fact.htm



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Well, you're not gonna like my answer.

In general, blacks come from dysunctional or broken families. Usually from young teen moms, who are descended from young teen moms, who are descended from... well, you get the idea. Those teens have (historically) popped those kids out like puppies. I don't know if this is still true in these days of AIDS, but it's certainly been true in the past.

Many (most?) of those homes provide no guidance at all, drug use/sale in the home is rampant and prevalent, no moral standards, and "gangstas" are universally admired. "Gats" are power, and these youths want to show that, even though they are "oppressed", they have power.

Violence is in their 20th century cultural heritage. 25% of black males are/have been involved in the criminal justice system. Some people will jump in and shout "they're discriminated against by cops". I submit that the REAL reason is because THEY COMMIT MORE CRIMES! (Radical I know, but there it is...)

At this point I feel motivated to toss in the required disclaimer about "there are bad people of all races". Well, there most certainly are. BUT, from a statistical point of view, blacks in America are responsible for VASTLY higher rates of crime than any other race.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Flame away... (No, there is no Nazi flag in my garage.)
 
Any of you think there is a chance that it is because blacks generally live in larger cities? I have several black friends, and they aren't running around committing crimes. All in all, very decent people. But they live in a much smaller community. I'd like to see comparisons of crime from rural and urban areas, per person, before I decide it is race and not the area they live in that cause the problems. Are white kids from the city more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than their more rural counterparts? Hispanic kids?
 
Dennis,

I agree with you. I got chastised for making a similar post one time on a non gun related forum. What you say is not politically correct, but most of it is the truth. Recent DOJ figures state that blacks commit 66 percent of the violent crime in this country, while they only make up approximately 13 percent of the population. It's no wonder to honest people why racial profiling exists. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, did you hear that?

Heck, many black taxi drivers wont pick up another black, for fear of being robbed. I'm not saying that this is right, but black people should try to understand why the other races are less than trusting of them.

I think with the welfare reform bill that the Republicans passed and that Slick was forced to sign, because it was an election year, things are getting better. Women on welfare are no longer rewarded for having as many children as possible out of wedlock.

Joe
http://second.amendment.homepage.com/
 
In Wisconsin, over 90% of all the homicides occur in a ten-Zip code area on the north side of Milwaukee. I wouldn't be surprised to find the situation is much the same in other cities as well.

Dennis, I think you're absolutely correct, factually but of course not "politically." Back in the sixties, none other than Senator Patrick Moynihan noted that the illegitimate
birth rate amongst blacks was at 30%, and he predicted that the rate for whites would reach that number in a couple of decades, and the black illegitimacy rate would rise further. Well, here we are with a black rate of over 50% and a white rate of over 30%.

Unfortunately, anyone who tries to point out this problem, and this disparity, is labeled a bigot. But, whether it's black, white or Hispanic, the single mother problem is probably the most significant factor in the wave of violence we've seen over the past 30 years.

Thanks to Rosie, Madonna and others of their ilk, single motherhood will continue to be celebrated rather than stigmatized.

Dick
 
Okay here goes...
The problem seems painfully obvious.
Unfortunately, any solution (whether PC, or not) will take 15-20 years, roughly a generation, to show any significant results. Remember it's taken over 30 years, or a least 2 generations, to arrive at our present predicament(s).
If changes were implimented tomorrow (fat chance), I would be close to the end of my life before things were even back to what they were back in the sixties. And they were far from ideal even then.
I'm not going to hold my breath...

Don't mean to preach to the choir.
But like quite a few things in life, it feels good to do it every now and then... ;)


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...defend the 2nd., it protects us all.
No fate but what we make...
 
Monkeyleg,

At one point the illegitimacy rate among blacks was at 66 percent, which mirrored the 66 percent rate that I spoke of, of the violent crimes that they commited.

What happens to the minority groups is a sign of what is to come to the whites given enough time. They are like the canary in the coal mine.

Joe

http://second.amendment.homepage.com/
 
Somewhere, deep in my archives, I've a very telling study done by a Dr. out of (?) Atlanta which states (somewhat as did Lott) that, if we'd dump the "minority criminal element" from our statistical studies of crimes committed with firearms, the USA actually has LESS of a "firearm problem" than does England/UK.

After saying that, That we have a "firearm problem" at all is disconcerting. But, the root of the problem isn't the guns (duh) - it's the misuse of said item/s.

That there is an underlying societal problem that encourages/demonizes, etc. blah (I'm brain-dead about now) the use of any instrument/tool/item is the problem. Well, figure out what I meant to say & just go along with that. K? ;)

I'll try to dig up that study & do the post here ...... thump
 
You know, because of the "P.C." Police, I was almost afraid to write the first post on this subject.

Yes, I'm a white male. (automatic bad guy)

I'm a Police Officer too..(so that makes me even worse) right?????????

Yes, I get grief all the time from various sources about discrimination in the past and even in the present, because I'm a white male.

I believe that the discrimination in the present towards blacks, comes from very small isolated extremist groups, and there is more discrimination towards white male's who seem to take the brunt of any blame there is to be given out.

I am a policeman, and I tread very lightly around minorities, going out of my way not to offend them at the cost of my job.

I don't think I even extend the same courtesies to a white person I've picked up.

It usually all depends on the subjects attitude and cooperation, that determines how they are treated.

One particular instance comes to mind, that just burns me up. It is not isolated, but it is very recent.

We pulled over a Camaro, for weaving a few weeks ago, and upon speaking with the driver, noticed an odor which is commonly associated as coming from an alcoholic beverage. That's cop speak in court.

Anyway, while getting this guy to blow on the intoxilizer on the side of the road(he was pretending to blow, and even sucking on it) one of my fellow officers made the statement: "COME ON, BLOW LIKE THE LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD"!!!!

Now, I assume you've all heard the story about the Little Engine that Could. You know the choo choo train.

Well, this guy, who I guess if I was asked, appeared to be oriental, but never even gave it any thought at the time, immediately stopped pretending to blow, and yelled out:

"DID YOU ALL HEAR THAT, THAT WAS A RACIAL STATEMENT!!!!"

We then realized that he was Native American .

So friggin what!!

We didn't care, but he sure did.

He called us every name in the book that night.

Klan, bigots, cowboys, white boys etc.........etc...etc.....

Was extremely uncooperative all night long, and even tried to barricade the door to our interview room, at which time he was hogtied!

This is the kind of crap I have to put up with as a white guy, and I don't pay it any mind at all what race they are until they throw this kind of s&#$ at me!

So, who is discriminated against?

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Even that's not as ridiculous as the gov't admin guy (city I think), who was talking about the "niggardly allocation of resources", and was FORCED FROM HIS JOB for "racist" comments!!!!!!!!

Now, I dunno about most people, but when *I* was in school, "niggardly" meant "stingy". He was later offered his job back, on the condition that he have SENSITIVITY TRAINING!

I was SPEECHLESS!!

PC, the movement that will ultimately destroy America.
 
To any moderator...

Could you please edit the offending post that is causing this thread to be so wide?

I think it is the long string of question marks that is gumming up the works.

Thanks,
Joe
 
scooter,
First off: welcome to TFL!
(sorry, should have said that on the last post)
I, for one, am always happy to see another LEO join us.
You guys have one of the most difficult jobs known to humanity.
It's something I know I could never do, even tho I find myself wanting to ask a million questions to every officer I meet who is off duty.
Hope your stay here is long and fruitful.
And THANKS! (I know you don't hear that word enough)
Be safe and good luck... :)

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...defend the 2nd., it protects us all.
No fate but what we make...
 
1. Having a Mother AND a Father in the home.
2. Solid education.
3. Parents who distain the drug and gang culture and love the kids enough to explain why.
 
George;
Good list but add No Daycare(as in mom
or dad stays home with kids)
A report by the government just came out
that good daycare prevents crime.
How about a good mom & dad,not a village.
Will we ever see this again,perhaps in
time once people relize their kids are
more important then money, jobs, etc.

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In no particular order:

Socio-economics, education, geographic variables, institutionalized racism, familial dynamics... throw the list in with points already mentioned and somewhere there lies an extremely complicated answer.
 
The wellfare system. A system that makes free people into slaves. It's hereditary, it does everything posable to keep you in the system. and it does it's best to drag your family down with you. About all the wellfare system needs is chains and government social workers to beat up the disorderly slaves.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by G50AE: ...The wellfare system ... [/quote]Agreed. Saw an interview on TV with a welfare mom. The news people lined up a job for her at 37.5 hours a week at $1.25 above minimum wage. Her reply was "No Thanks." -- she wasn't going to work for "slave wages".

H*ll! When my father became disabled and could no longer work, my Mom re-entered the work force after 25 years and she started out working for minimum wage because we had a sence of pride. What was our's, was our's! It wasn't given to us but it was earned!

Some states are beginning to incorporate some limits to welfare. For example, if you have a child while on welfare, you payments do not increase. After all, the rest of society does not enjoy this benefit (if my wife has a baby, my boss is not going to increase my salary -- the increase has to be eraned!) -- so why should the people of welfare?

Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
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An unofficial, non-government approved, not-ready-for-publishing psuedo-mathematical formula for child behavior:

Love + Discipline = Respect
Love + Indulgence = Contempt
 
From a criminology journal article I read sometime ago...

Rural blacks are much more heavily armed than their urban, inner-city counter-parts and far less likely to commit crimes than their urban counter-parts. The rural blacks are almost as well armed as their white neighbors and no more likely to commit crimes.

Crimes in rural areas are many times less likely to occur than in the inner city.

Inner city whites are not as likely to commit crimes than their black counter-parts. If we remove black-associated inner-city homicide from the mix, our homicide rate is less than that of Canada (6 per 100K off the top of my head). Canada has no similar immigrant population. Canada's immigrant population has a high concentration of Asians who, like those who come to America are even less likely to commit crime than those they left behind on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

Rick
 
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