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What did everyone think of the 60 minutes segment???
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Indy Steve
New member
I wonder how bad they cut up the interview? I mean what might Clint or the former police sniper, have also said that usually ends up on the cutting room floor.
Wasn't bad. The sheriff even made a good point of saying we are here to protect the people, we are not at war with them.
Of course I prefer to protect myself since I'm there and all.
Wasn't bad. The sheriff even made a good point of saying we are here to protect the people, we are not at war with them.
Of course I prefer to protect myself since I'm there and all.
Jamie Young
New member
It did not make snipers look very good. Not the fact they kill people but the fact they miss. I thought they did not do a very good story on snipers at all. My opinion is yeah they need snipers at times but some of those guys can't shoot straight. That Rodriguez guy fired 3 shots and two missed because he forgot to reset his scope. Sure there legitimate shots but not very legitimate shooters.
How stupid was the guy that finally got hit by the 3rd round fired by the sniper Rodriguez. That kind of reminded me of the scene in the Jerk where the sniper's rounds were hitting the oil cans. I would think even a Water Buffalo might have moved after the 2nd round went zipping over it's head
cuerno de chivo
Moderator
I was impressed with Smith and Rodriguez. The reporter was definitely trying to bait.
theclimber
New member
I thought Smith did very well, and Rodriguez did well until the 3 shots one kill thing. They said his first two shots hit a concrete barrier. I didn't see a barrier anywhere near the BG, and I didn't see any debris flying up, so that makes me think his shots were way the f*ck off?!
I also thought the segment ended somewhat melodramatically.
TC
I also thought the segment ended somewhat melodramatically.
TC
Made police snipers look pretty bad.
Where did those first two shots go? If those two shots impacted within 150 feet of the gunman, I’d be surprised. There was no reaction by the gunman whatsoever.
Regarding the second incident
Rodriguez carried 60lbs of gear, where’s his radio? On the other hand if it were my kid being held hostage, 90 seconds is more than enough.
All this 20/20 hindsight is great.
Where did those first two shots go? If those two shots impacted within 150 feet of the gunman, I’d be surprised. There was no reaction by the gunman whatsoever.
Regarding the second incident
Rodriguez carried 60lbs of gear, where’s his radio? On the other hand if it were my kid being held hostage, 90 seconds is more than enough.
All this 20/20 hindsight is great.
It wasn't a total trash piece like I have come to expect from CBS whenever guns are part of the story. could have been a lot worse.
I was impressed by Smith.
Rodriguez spoke well and was very composed (a good thing in a sniper I would imagine), but...I couldn't see how he could be confident enough to take the third shot after missing the first 2 so badly. Guess that's why they're experts. Still it didn't instill a lot of confidence.
I was impressed by Smith.
Rodriguez spoke well and was very composed (a good thing in a sniper I would imagine), but...I couldn't see how he could be confident enough to take the third shot after missing the first 2 so badly. Guess that's why they're experts. Still it didn't instill a lot of confidence.
I think that Smith and Rodriguez handled it pretty good. I wonder about the first 2 shots myself. Of course the prep would be a total idiot to do what he did anyway, but he proved that if the first 2 shots were anywhere near and he did not seek cover. Of course it was good that he did not seek that cover for the third shot ended the danger to the hostages. One question fellows ........ who was the reporter that interviewed Rodriguez? He looks so familiar but I cannot seem to place him.
60 minutes 2
What's the LAST thing you should do with your rifle, after making sure it's cleared, and you are putting it away??.
Reset your ZERO...........
Way too many facts left off this story.........
Do you show up on a scene and shoot 3 shots in less than 6 minutes????????, 3 of them in 90 seconds?.
This made the SWAT sniper look like Atilla The Hun......
I know this HAS to be a real pressure cooker....but, the bridge scenario?, same story, second verse.
Shows up, runs 1/2 mile, and takes a shot?, no pre-site communications??.
No on site commun???.........
I think this ( a LOT of the real truth), got left on the edit floor..........
NO way, LE snipers can, or should be able to make these decisions without clearance........I think we were smoozed.......
What's the LAST thing you should do with your rifle, after making sure it's cleared, and you are putting it away??.
Reset your ZERO...........
Way too many facts left off this story.........
Do you show up on a scene and shoot 3 shots in less than 6 minutes????????, 3 of them in 90 seconds?.
This made the SWAT sniper look like Atilla The Hun......
I know this HAS to be a real pressure cooker....but, the bridge scenario?, same story, second verse.
Shows up, runs 1/2 mile, and takes a shot?, no pre-site communications??.
No on site commun???.........
I think this ( a LOT of the real truth), got left on the edit floor..........
NO way, LE snipers can, or should be able to make these decisions without clearance........I think we were smoozed.......
It was presented pretty well by CBS which surprised me.
I didn't think it was a good comment by Smith when he said, "some people need to be shot" and he did so with a smile on his face and they played on it by repeating it 3 times as I recall.
True or not, it's the type of comment anti's like to hear and use against LE.
The situation on the bridge involving Rodriguez, the Father and the baby sounded like he acted like a lone ranger to me. Like was said, he didn't even know if or not a line of communication was begun by negotiators.
I was part of an LE SWAT team (SOU for Special Operations Unit)and was the primary "marksman". Nothing was done without authorization and confirmation of that authorization. I know he was cleared and the shooting was deemed "good" but the way it was presented, and Rodriguez confirmed it, he arrived, no commmunication with the others, set-up and 90 sec. later, shot the guy. I presume by the segment, his own people may not have know he was there.
He's a 13 year LE vet but he left the PD. Why?
Also, the term "sniper" has been replaced by many agencies with "police marksman" and I feel it's more fitting and sounds much better. I'm not a PC guy but in todays climate, LE gets enough flak and I'm glad I'm now retired.
I didn't think it was a good comment by Smith when he said, "some people need to be shot" and he did so with a smile on his face and they played on it by repeating it 3 times as I recall.
True or not, it's the type of comment anti's like to hear and use against LE.
The situation on the bridge involving Rodriguez, the Father and the baby sounded like he acted like a lone ranger to me. Like was said, he didn't even know if or not a line of communication was begun by negotiators.
I was part of an LE SWAT team (SOU for Special Operations Unit)and was the primary "marksman". Nothing was done without authorization and confirmation of that authorization. I know he was cleared and the shooting was deemed "good" but the way it was presented, and Rodriguez confirmed it, he arrived, no commmunication with the others, set-up and 90 sec. later, shot the guy. I presume by the segment, his own people may not have know he was there.
He's a 13 year LE vet but he left the PD. Why?
Also, the term "sniper" has been replaced by many agencies with "police marksman" and I feel it's more fitting and sounds much better. I'm not a PC guy but in todays climate, LE gets enough flak and I'm glad I'm now retired.
IMHO......
The Rodriguez example is a very bad one. I will not trust him if I am in a hostage situtation. First of all, he miss two shoots before he got the bank robber. The robber did search for the source of gun shot if you look closely, so did the hostage. Somehow, he did not realize that a sharpshooter was shooting at him. Then he fell backward on the third round. That wasn't a perfect shoot, either. That means the shot hitted the head, but not medulla oblongata(Even through Rodriguez claimed that’s exactly where he was aiming at. For instantaneous incapacitation, the target will fall straigh down). That was a very risky move. A sharpshooter should always check his equipment before a deployment, especially the zero. Every single shot should be confident, not simple mistake like the wrong scope setting he had.
About the bridge incident. He shot that guy without any communication with anyone. We should remember that a police sharpshooter’s primary duty is to support the others and gather information, not go out and shoot people base on his own decision. Fortunately everything turned out ok, but he should get a ok from the commander at the first place.
[Edited by Spatula on 01-31-2001 at 12:13 PM]
The Rodriguez example is a very bad one. I will not trust him if I am in a hostage situtation. First of all, he miss two shoots before he got the bank robber. The robber did search for the source of gun shot if you look closely, so did the hostage. Somehow, he did not realize that a sharpshooter was shooting at him. Then he fell backward on the third round. That wasn't a perfect shoot, either. That means the shot hitted the head, but not medulla oblongata(Even through Rodriguez claimed that’s exactly where he was aiming at. For instantaneous incapacitation, the target will fall straigh down). That was a very risky move. A sharpshooter should always check his equipment before a deployment, especially the zero. Every single shot should be confident, not simple mistake like the wrong scope setting he had.
About the bridge incident. He shot that guy without any communication with anyone. We should remember that a police sharpshooter’s primary duty is to support the others and gather information, not go out and shoot people base on his own decision. Fortunately everything turned out ok, but he should get a ok from the commander at the first place.
[Edited by Spatula on 01-31-2001 at 12:13 PM]
Spatula,
Gotta call you on one point. Dead bodies don't fall where you want them to, and the actions are not always predictable. I've shot enough people to know.
Example, shot a little guy from 5 feet with a 12 gauge 00 buck, center chest. Much to the distress of movie goers everywhere the little puke fell forward. Also done the CNS thing......fell......backwards.
Gotta call you on one point. Dead bodies don't fall where you want them to, and the actions are not always predictable. I've shot enough people to know.
Example, shot a little guy from 5 feet with a 12 gauge 00 buck, center chest. Much to the distress of movie goers everywhere the little puke fell forward. Also done the CNS thing......fell......backwards.
Joey Sanders
Inactive
I thought it typical of big tv broadcasters not to mention the fact that if no one broke the law, marksmen or any other member of the police would not be needed. I'm a law enforcement officer and while not a marksman offically I'm an apt student of the same. The way cbs portrayed that the decision was all the shooters choice was against all that I've ever heard or know to be correct. In almost all police use of marksmen the decision to fire or not is made by the higher ups and this was not shown by cbs. The fact that the bridge shooting was made without any communication was a very rare, almost unheard of event but cbs treated it like a everyday occurance. I thought Clint came across well and what he said made sense. It came off pretty well considering the anti gun slant put on everything by the media these days
JS
JS
Southla1. That reporters name is Jimmy Stewart. He is a rabid anti-gunner from the get go. I only caught the last 7 minutes or so of the segment, but I could sense his hostility towards Rodrigez (sp). Something in his tone of voice when he mentioned something about 5 kills in a year, I think it was. Didn't catch it all because the wife was saying something at the same time.
Old Stewart has done some real hatchet jobs on firearms owners in the past, and has absolutely no compunction about lying about gun owners IMHO.
Paul B.
Old Stewart has done some real hatchet jobs on firearms owners in the past, and has absolutely no compunction about lying about gun owners IMHO.
Paul B.
Michael.....
I agree with your real life experience. I have no experience shooting any life object. From those publications I’ve read, medulla oblongata controls every single muscle in our body. Once it’s damaged (i.e. high-speed bullet), the object will lose completely control (voluntarily or involuntarily) instantaneously. Even a finger on a trigger won’t jerk – one reason police sharpshooters are trained to shoot that area under commend. The way a body falls will depend on the instant his/her posture. Thanks for clearing that for me.
I agree with your real life experience. I have no experience shooting any life object. From those publications I’ve read, medulla oblongata controls every single muscle in our body. Once it’s damaged (i.e. high-speed bullet), the object will lose completely control (voluntarily or involuntarily) instantaneously. Even a finger on a trigger won’t jerk – one reason police sharpshooters are trained to shoot that area under commend. The way a body falls will depend on the instant his/her posture. Thanks for clearing that for me.