GeorgeandSugar
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Pull the bullet and dump the powder. Seems like the smart and safe way. Not worth getting hurt on a single round.
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What can happen when you attempt to reseat a primer on a loaded round...
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gwpercle mentions:
I tend to think if we had a peek below the shell holder in the video we would likely find an electrically (maybe pneumatic but I would bet electrically) activated linear solenoid. Should that be true while the video shows what happens when a primer detonates in an unsupported case the scenario as done in the video is not likely to happen in a press or hand priming tool under normal conditions. The end moral I guess is respect the primer. Just another part of developing and applying good work habits when building ammunition.
Was the test "rigged"? I would have to say while rigged is a harsh word yeah, it was rigged. Only because it was not what we would call normal conditions.
Ron
I tend to think if we had a peek below the shell holder in the video we would likely find an electrically (maybe pneumatic but I would bet electrically) activated linear solenoid. Should that be true while the video shows what happens when a primer detonates in an unsupported case the scenario as done in the video is not likely to happen in a press or hand priming tool under normal conditions. The end moral I guess is respect the primer. Just another part of developing and applying good work habits when building ammunition.
Was the test "rigged"? I would have to say while rigged is a harsh word yeah, it was rigged. Only because it was not what we would call normal conditions.
Ron
You can see a firing pin like device in there. A press does not have the rapidity of crush to fire a primer.
Install a barrel extra long sometime, you will not get the gun to fire but you will have a very nice dent in the primer.
All it showed was what happens to a round that is triggered in the open using some kind of sharp object if not a firing pin more like what I did with various objects.
Yes, I had heavy gloves on, face goggles, shield, plugs and ear muffs.
It took a sharp nail and a hard blow to get one to go off.
I set one off that caused a chain reaction up the primer chute.
I also USED To press primers in a missed cartridge. Once the primer went off. The case blee apart, the bullet hit the ceiling over the press.
I think the primer went in sideways.
I no longer use that brand of press and if course never try to put a primer in a charged case.
David.
I also USED To press primers in a missed cartridge. Once the primer went off. The case blee apart, the bullet hit the ceiling over the press.
I think the primer went in sideways.
I no longer use that brand of press and if course never try to put a primer in a charged case.
David.
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A "friend of mine" recently successfully seated a primer on a loaded round. While the video is not showing setting off a round while seating a primer, it demonstrates what can happen if it goes off while attempting to seat the primer on a live round. This video was an eye-opener for me and I won't, I mean my friend won't be doing that again! Ever.
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The one time (in 40+ years) that I was present when someone ignited a primer on a case that was in reloading die by trying to hacksaw the head off a loaded cartridge. There was a loud noise, a flash and the bullet traveled somewhere between 6 and 12 inches across the reloading bench.
That was it.
It was a 30 Carbine round loaded at the maximum with a 110 grain bullet and 15 grains with IMR-4227.
This should compare with a 357 round loaded with a comparable amount of IMR-4227 and launched out of a short (less than 1 inch) barrel, but it fell woefully short.
Since that experience, I have not hesitated to reseat primers that might be out-of-spec on loaded rounds - in the rare occasion when it was necessary. Just have respect for the fact it is a loaded round and make sure all of your movements are fluid as well as dynamic.
jetinteriorguy
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I have been loading for over 30 years and have had primers pop twice while loading in my progressive. I had never seen nor heard of a .38 sp with a crimped primer pocket until then. Two of the cases that I'd picked up had crimped primers and I didn't catch it when depriming because I had never heard of it and didn't expect it. So apparently when trying to seat them it caused the primers to pop. I'll tell you what, that really gets your attention when it happens. Now I even inspect .38 brass for crimped pockets but have yet to see another.
jaguarxk120
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Pure setup just so someone can post on youtube!
I wonder how hard he had to smack that primer with the modified seating punch turned into a firing pin?
And the way those round went off, I wonder how much EC blank powder he used?
The only time I've had primers go off is with a whack a mole, and that thing went into the trash after two primers went off.
I wonder how hard he had to smack that primer with the modified seating punch turned into a firing pin?
And the way those round went off, I wonder how much EC blank powder he used?
The only time I've had primers go off is with a whack a mole, and that thing went into the trash after two primers went off.
jaguarxk120
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The dufus is using a firing device NOT a press!!
He made some sort of spring loaded firing pin to set those rounds off. I don't doubt
There were powder changes so the results are more impressive.
When things go wrong and he winds up in the emergency room his actions
make all handloaders look bad!
He made some sort of spring loaded firing pin to set those rounds off. I don't doubt
There were powder changes so the results are more impressive.
When things go wrong and he winds up in the emergency room his actions
make all handloaders look bad!
Don Fischer
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Seating a live primer in a loaded round? joke? It might be alright one in ten million time's and go wrong once! I have never s I recall attempted that. I recall one time I was seating some primer's in unloaded case's with the original Lee hand die set. put the case in the die, dropped in the rod to set the primer with then tried tapping it in. Boom! Of course it could have been a whole lot worse, could have been a loaded round! Sometime's fate is not worth tempting!
And then we had a reloader that was pulling bullets with an inertia hammer. He came close to bloing his thing off, his hammer handle. The problem was made worst because he was pulling bullets in a crowd.
There were claims he was using a shell holder; it was believed the shell holder allowed the case to move enough for the shell holder to cover the primer. And that is only possible to do with small diameter cases.
There was a chance he had a high primer' the primer could have seated whole pounding the concrete driveway. There was a remote chance the case was stood up after seating the bullet and while standing powder could have trickled down between the primer and case head. If the primer seated with no room in front of it there is a chance the primer could have busted.
I can only guess there is a moral to this story, do not try to seat primers on a loaded round.
F. Guffey
There were claims he was using a shell holder; it was believed the shell holder allowed the case to move enough for the shell holder to cover the primer. And that is only possible to do with small diameter cases.
There was a chance he had a high primer' the primer could have seated whole pounding the concrete driveway. There was a remote chance the case was stood up after seating the bullet and while standing powder could have trickled down between the primer and case head. If the primer seated with no room in front of it there is a chance the primer could have busted.
I can only guess there is a moral to this story, do not try to seat primers on a loaded round.
F. Guffey
And then there was the writer, author, shooter and reloader that went to the firing range with his ammo packed in baggies, I have always said carrying your ammo in baggies was a bad habit.
Anyhow, he dropped a bag, the rim on one case hit the primer of another case. The primer pushed itself out of the case and up. The primer cut an artery, needlessly to say the shooter/writer almost bled to death.
F. Guffey
Anyhow, he dropped a bag, the rim on one case hit the primer of another case. The primer pushed itself out of the case and up. The primer cut an artery, needlessly to say the shooter/writer almost bled to death.
F. Guffey
Plenty of ammo manufacturers package loose rounds in cardboard boxes and ammo boxes. Are you telling me that those loose rounds rattling their way across the US in the back of semi trucks are somehow safer than loose rounds in a ziploc bag?
Regarding the video - I'd be way more interested in a video showing what it takes to set off a loose round while actually seating a primer. Anyone with half a brain would realize that a loaded round that detonates outside a chamber can be hazardous. The more interesting question would address if its possible to take a normal case (no crimped primer, no other deformities) and make the primer go off while seating it. I've loaded close to 15,000 rounds on a Hornaday LNL and a couple thousand using a Lee handheld primer and never once had a primer go off.
I am typing slower: I said carrying your ammo in plastic baggies is a bad habit. There is a story about a UPS driver that blew his thing off, I believe it was called 'a tail gate' with a box of Federal primers.
I was told it is impossible to bust a primer with the rim of another case, Lee in his book tested primers, he described the primers launching themselves from the primer pockets at close to 700 feet per second. So? If you should drop your ammo and your ammo is loosely packed grab your crotch and if you are not wearing safety glasses it is too late.
F. Guffey
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That would be a good message.
While doing normal primer seating the odds are against a primer detonating but it only takes once to have a really bad day. In Mr. Guffy's post #35 the odds of what happened happening were tremendous but...
Some guys are comfortable reseating a primer in a loaded round and some are not. I would be in the latter group. While the odds are against anything really bad happening I can see no reason to tempt fate. I would prefer not to have my friends read about me because I lost an argument with a primer.
I wonder how hot a cartridge can get before the bang. Here, hold my beer while I get a skillet from my wife....
Ron
That would be a good message.
While doing normal primer seating the odds are against a primer detonating but it only takes once to have a really bad day. In Mr. Guffy's post #35 the odds of what happened happening were tremendous but...
Some guys are comfortable reseating a primer in a loaded round and some are not. I would be in the latter group. While the odds are against anything really bad happening I can see no reason to tempt fate. I would prefer not to have my friends read about me because I lost an argument with a primer.
I wonder how hot a cartridge can get before the bang. Here, hold my beer while I get a skillet from my wife....
Ron