What are we doing wrong

The "serious Lexington or Concord" arrived when the President decided to murder (obnoxious) American citizens without a grand jury indictment and trial at the word of a bureaucrat. They are expanding the program into the continental US.

Look at the MSM response to ONE MAN in New Hampshire holding a sign while carrying a holstered handgun during the days before Obama "You'll have to pass the bill to see what's in it" Care was passed. It appeared to me that one is not permitted to exercise First and Second Amendment rights at the same time.
 
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Today's "safe" hunting rifle is tomorrow's high powered sniper rifle with military grade ammunition shooting armor piercing bullets.

Tom Servo has posted some great links to the GSVC's view on how since they lost the fight against handguns, then they needed to target "assualt weapons", that strategy isn't confined to semi-automatic copies of Mr. Stoner's little aluminum rifle.

And after the high powered sniper rifles, next will be the pump action shotguns.
 
Hboswell,

Thanks for the Day of Resistance link. I didn't know about it. That's part of the problem; we don't know all that's going on.

I was planning to go to Sound of Freedom soon anyway...
 
The thing to remember is that the gun culture isn't really unified. Glenn and others have pointed that out well.

There are, what, 90 million gun owners? 4 million belong to the NRA. That's 4.4%. Out of those, how many can we expect to take even the most basic of political actions? Ten percent? That puts us at 400,000 voices.

Even those folks can't unify on even the simplest things. Look at debates about Presidential candidates the last couple of election cycles.

I could probably find you 100,000 hardcore antis in this country. Add in another couple hundred thousand who can be easily swayed, and the numbers don't look good so far.
 
While there IS safety in numbers...

Perhaps gunowners should be likened to herding "cats" as opposed to lapdogs.

Very Independently minded and armed, you get a crowd of them together and there will be some major dissent amongst them almost each and every time, up to and including much caterwauling and possibly flashing claws and fangs as they turn on each other.

Definitely NOT a hive minded crowd.

Certainly as a group, a thousand "cats" should best be left alone less they coalesce into the true fury they can muster, which would and will of course upset the lapdogs watching the display. Not to mention the guard dogs standing around ready to "control" them for their masters.

But I could be wrong.
 
The thing to remember is that the gun culture isn't really unified. Glenn and others have pointed that out well.

There are, what, 90 million gun owners? 4 million belong to the NRA. That's 4.4%. Out of those, how many can we expect to take even the most basic of political actions? Ten percent? That puts us at 400,000 voices.

Even those folks can't unify on even the simplest things. Look at debates about Presidential candidates the last couple of election cycles.
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agreed. the political divide among gun owners speaks volumes as to why we aren't united.

case in point:

I wish I could say this without being crass... but...

Protest marches are most effective when they appeal to the unemployed (who have the time to participate) and are targeted towards politicians who cater to the unemployed.

Think "Occupy Wallstreet"... The accountants, bankers, and lawyers in Manhattan did not organize their own "occupy" movement in response. The used the power of their wallet. In the end, the only thing the "occupy" movement succeeded in doing was putting a few unlucky restaurants out of business, spreading a lot of STDs, and smoking a lot of weed.

We, the gun-owners, tend to have full time jobs and disposable income. Well-written letters and campaign donations are our best weapon.
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it's this type of rhetoric that further erodes unity among gun owners. there's absolutely no need for it in the gun debate and to paint a cross section of this country as deadbeats is doing more harm than good. this is why I don't stand in solidarity with fellow gun owners because I for one will not be persecuted because of my political beliefs
 
I would be willing to guess that a large amount of those 90 million gun owners are pretty casual about it. They may have a deer rifle or a shotgun in the closet and while the enjoy hunting and the occasional Saturday at the range they aren't very passionate about their sport.

Here at TFL we're all passionate about our sport and regularly shoot, hunt, CC, or simply admire our firearms. We take the 2nd Amendment (and all the other amendments) seriously. We follow gun related issues on a regular basis and keep informed. We also do our best to educate others.

Unfortunately we're only a fraction of the 90 million who probably don't even think about firearms until the week before deer season when they wonder if their rifle is still sighted in.
 
he thing to remember is that the gun culture isn't really unified. Glenn and others have pointed that out well.

There are, what, 90 million gun owners? 4 million belong to the NRA. That's 4.4%. Out of those, how many can we expect to take even the most basic of political actions? Ten percent? That puts us at 400,000 voices.

Even those folks can't unify on even the simplest things. Look at debates about Presidential candidates the last couple of election cycles.

I could probably find you 100,000 hardcore antis in this country. Add in another couple hundred thousand who can be easily swayed, and the numbers don't look good so far.
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I think the above pretty much nails it, over the past 30 years I've encouraged people to join the NRA many will say "oh I don't like them" or "I can buy a box of ammo with that money".

Money talks join the NRA, past couple months I've given NRA memberships to family and friends. I will not purchase products from hard core anti-gun states and certain will never visit same and tell them why. May sound dramatic but we're facing evil people in DC who simply want to control our lives so we better come together soon.
 
I wrote this in another thread and it holds true for the direction this thread is going.

I belong to several other forums that quite honestly get out of hand at times with political, conspiracy and revolutionist banter. Though I feel politics do obviously play a part in firearms related issues, pure political discussions very quickly become heated and lose value. The fact that TFL has these policies in place
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is what makes this forum a civil place to have intelligent discussion.
If we have any aspirations of being a unified collective of gun owners we have to recognize gun owners come from all walks of life and political affiliations and bashing one another’s beliefs only serves to divide us.
 
Apologies.:)
If we have any aspirations of being a unified collective of gun owners we have to recognize gun owners come from all walks of life and political affiliations and bashing one another’s beliefs only serves to divide us.
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^this, 100%
 
we stayed as independent thinkers, cowboys till the end.

we never banded into massive politicall money groups like the rest.

remember back in the 60s every smart person laughed at the hippies as morons and loosers? the problem is they grew up, got jobs for the most part, and have money. if you look closely, they love to take guns away. and spend accordingly.

'free love" my butt.

the whole gun culture dies when mr. wayne died. the western slowly faded and instead of learning values and important things like self control and morals. it became a standard communistic approach to corruption. why care about doing anything when medical relief was one clinic away?
 
I would agree that gun owners are not all united when it comes to being active about the cause.

Its not that most don't care, but more so because each gun owner has a different level of involvement and passion when it comes to firearms. The very few active and passionate gun owners are those members of NRA, gun clubs, and activist groups that voice out their concerns and attend the rallies. The rest of the majority are only casual shooters, hunters, and maybe those that only have a single firearm for home defense (revolver, shotgun) and not an AK/AR type rifle.
 
I agree that a major protest march in Washington would probably be ignored by the media, or whatever of it was covered, they'd try to make gun owners look like maniacs.
 
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