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How many air rifles have been successfully used to kill people?

Mossad, for example, used .22 as it's assassination round for some time... suppressed even sometimes!
 
So what are the legit uses for pet rocks? Weird Al CDs? Skateboards?

You routinely side with government making decisions for us citizens as to which of our wants are legitimate, Kochman. You should see if Bloomberg is hiring; he would love you.
 
Using suppressors to kill people is a non-argument.

They are commonplace in places like New Zealand and are not used to "kill people" in any appreciable numbers.

Come on, Man!
 
Kochman, air rifles used to be available in .455 caliber, and were a preferred weapon of poachers.

Ask a silly question...
 
What are the illegit uses of those items?
Assassination? Poaching?

At MLeake...
How many people generally are killed by air rifles in a year? Answer the question.
 
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How many air rifles have been successfully used to kill people?
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Some but not many I would think.

Lethality cannot be the standard, since unsuppressed weapons account for many more deaths than suppressed ones.
 
You guys... you're dissembling and splitting unnecessary hairs here... if this can't be a rational discussion...
Ciao
 
Kochman, how many people (outside war zones where SOF operate) are killed by suppressed weapons? Answer the question.
 
Ever heard a .22LR suppressed?
It's just like the "pffft" in the "movies".

Mix a .223 with subsonic ammo?
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I've got a bit of trigger time with suppressors - ARs, MP5SD2, .22's. A suppressor works just like a muffler by delaying the exit of hot supersonic gases until they have had time to cool and slow. Naturally, if you choose a round with less powder, there are less combustible gases to cool and less noise.

132db - unsuppressed .22LR (as quiet as a suppressed .223)
91db - suppressed .22LR with top notch suppressor (41db reduction - still 6db over OSHA threshold of 85db)
68db - unsuppressed subsonic .22lr (CCI Quiet 2 - about as quiet as a loud conversation/car road noise)

Subsonic does nothing to make the suppressor quieter, it just reduces bullet flight noise (the tiny supersonic wave that accompanies the bullet). If you shoot subsonic out of a normal rifle, it will be quieter.

.223 subsonic ammo is just a bad idea. You've basically reduced yourself to a .22 Long and you are eventually going to have a baffle strike that trashes your suppressor.
 
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Kochman, how many people (outside war zones where SOF operate) are killed by suppressed weapons? Answer the question.
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Absolutely irrelevant, since they're pretty rare...
That's like asking how many people are killed by Walther PPKs made in 1934.
 
Instead of getting into the nuclear briefcase apples and oranges, lets do Golden Noble vs Gingergold apples

Golden Noble apples are cooking apples.

Gingergold are both cooking and out of hand apples.

Earplugs are decibel reducers.

Electronic muffs are high decibel reducers, and low decibel magnifiers.

Why does one need one over the other? If no one needs to only reduce decibels, we should ban the ear plugs and force everyone to use electronic muffs.
 
Kochman, have you ever attempted to CC something with the bulk and OAL of a suppressed pistol? How practical do you think that is?

If I can conceal that, then I can conceal a short shotgun or carbine. Hmmm, to kill somebody, which would I choose?

How many assassinations were conducted with suppressed weapons prior to the NFA? If they were a common problem, you should be able to throw numbers and sources at us, rather than your opinions.

Go for it.
 
Oh, so there is some minimum number of killings that have to occur with an item to make it an unreasonable thing to have?
I wasn't aware of that.

Anyhow, feel free to waste your money on those guys, if it makes you feel like James Bond... I spent my $$ on a pre-68 German Walther PPK to achieve that instead, and I've got a great tool that matters... unlike a suppressor, which is not needed or really helpful. Hell, you apparently can't even use them to help assassinate people with... hasn't happened enough.
 
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How many air rifles have been successfully used to kill people?

Mossad, for example, used .22 as it's assassination round for some time... suppressed even sometimes!
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Kochman, how many people (outside war zones where SOF operate) are killed by suppressed weapons? Answer the question.

Absolutely irrelevant, since they're pretty rare...
That's like asking how many people are killed by Walther PPKs made in 1934.
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Talk about dissembling.
 
Kochman, some of us live where it is legal to shoot on our own property.

I can assure you that my wife, baby, and dogs would prefer it if I could use a suppressor.

My neighbors might appreciate it, too. Luckily, they are all hunters and shooters, so nobody complains, but if I could practice, quietly, I would do so out of courtesy.

Once again, you wish to side with the government on restricting my ability to do so. Please show some evidence that there was ever an epidemic of suppressors used in assassinations, since you allege such was and would be the case.
 
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