What a great plan.

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She would be better off with pepper spray, soft body armor and a good pair of running shoes...Spray, hope any rounds fired either miss or impact on the body armor, and run like her life depends on it...BECAUSE IT WILL!!!

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Glenn, not everything we say is going to be profound. I've had my share of H2H combat training and I agree that it was valuable. I also know that some people let it go to their head. At least my instructor was wise enough to make sure that I had a reasonable level of humility to go along with any skills I may have learned.

The OP's sister will certainly be better off with training than not but it's folly to plan to take a gun away from an armed assailant. In all the training I got, that was considered a very high-risk, last resort.

At least the training will be useful for unarmed combat and she might even start considering a less-than-lethal defensive weapon.
 
Lots of posturing - having anyone take a modern combatives course is a good thing, tough guys.
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Glenn is right about this one... how can it possibly be a bad thing for any woman to get self-defense training?? If she's learning from a good instructor, one of the first things she'll likely find out is what the limits of her strength are, relative to that of most men. And she'll also be exposed to people who do have more of a clue than she currently does about ways she can arm herself... pepper spray comes to mind here as a place she might be willing to start.

Sensible people of whatever gender don't go around picking fights. The fact that most men are stronger than most women means that if she's assaulted, any woman with decent training is better off than one without.

"Prevailing over a man" isn't the goal here. The goal is to defend yourself and get out of danger -- I think it's fairly well documented that a woman who resists a physical assault (by a rapist, for instance) is likely to come out of the situation better than one who doesn't...
 
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So Saab - in your expert opinion - martial arts or combative training categorically is a waste of time for a woman as they cannot beat any man?

Perhaps, you can't prevail over a mountain gorilla - that is a wonderful bit of scientific evidence to prove your point.

So women should not learn escapes or strikes or anything H2H given your expertise?
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No. I already stated that the best option is to hit the bad guy where it
hurts and run.

I guess if you play enough Mortal Kombat, you may start to think that a
petite woman can kick the @@@@ out of a 200 pound man

Finish Him!!!

But reality is that the best option, if unarmed, is to hit where it hurts and run.

A better option is to be armed and know how to use the weapon.

By the way, if you keep telling women they can stand toe to toe with a man
and kick his buttocks, you'll eventually get a woman killed.
 
Her new plan is to begin taking martial arts classes so if attacked by a gun toting hoodlum, she can immediately disarm him and shoot him with his gun.
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Rather than being derisive, we should recognize that she has made a huge step forward. She is acknowledging that she has some responsibility for her own safety and security, and cannot count on others to protect her. It's a good beginning. Now perhaps she should be encouraged, such as "Do you know there are a lot of different gun designs out there. Why don't you come with me to the range and I'll show you how the different guns work so if you disarm him you'll be able to safely operate the gun." And then maybe something along the lines of "Now that you see how easy it is to use a gun, do you really think that going up against one with yhour martial arts is a good idea? Why don't we expand your protection plan by getting trained in firearms and buying one for yourself." Remember the old saw, from tiny acorns mighty oak trees grow.

By the way, if you keep telling women they can stand toe to toe with a man
and kick his buttocks, you'll eventually get a woman killed.
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That is highly dependent on the woman and the man. I've known a fair number of women that could hold their own against lots of men, and I've known lots of men that wouldn't stand a chance against a woman with even llimited training.
 
I'm a fan of both martial arts training and CCW.

Is martial arts training a replacement for having a concealed weapon? No.

Can martial arts help me avoid the NEED to use deadly force when facing someone with (for instance) a baseball bat, tire iron, etc? It may.
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This is the problem with martial arts...people start to think things like "it trumps a bat".

Good luck with that.

Im all for H2H training,but it should be a last resort(after run and/or gun) against an armed attacker...or in the case of much bigger/stronger assailants(as with most woman-v-man scenarios).

I dont know of any martial arts that can give you the ability to smash bone and kill with an almost casual wave of the hand(despite what many practitioners may tell you).Even if they did...so its now an even fight with the guy waving a tire iron?:rolleyes:


Just FYI-i trained in multiple disciplines for the better part of a decade.as always "its better to have and not need...",but i wouldnt bring my fists to a knife fight,any sooner than a knife to a gunfight.
 
Martial arts are all about technique, not brute strength or size. An expert martial artist (of more than one style ;)) can disarm and take down an opponent considerably larger than him (or her) self. The gentle art of Judo, for example, teaches the student to use an opponent's strength and size against him. Against a gun? It depends on the element of surprise and how good the opponent is.

None the less, that doesn't seem to be the main focus here. What the main focus is, however, is more demeaning to women than not.

And that's the reason I'm closing this.

Restart this if you like (and in general, it's a good subject for debate), but let's leave the sexist remarks out of it, shall we?
 
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