What a great plan.

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I have to share this:

My sister in law (lives in L.A.)who is a rabid liberal, antigunner, earthy crunchy, you name it she has a better opinion on it. Ok, she recently visited for my daughter's birthday and of course, the topic of guns came up. Her new plan is to begin taking martial arts classes so if attacked by a gun toting hoodlum, she can immediately disarm him and shoot him with his gun.

What a great plan!

--Dave
 
I took a self defense class (H2H) once. We practiced disarming guys with knives for part of the class. I asked about disarming assailants with handguns and he told me you're pretty much dead if you are unarmed and the attacker is bent on assaulting you unless he's given you a very unusually strong position. I'll keep toting a handgun, thank you very much.
 
Is she an olympic level athlete? Is she 6' 8" tall and weight 200 pounds?
Is she as swift as a Gazelle? Can she jump tall buildings in one bound?
Is she faster than a speeding bullet? Is she at least faster than a slow bullet?

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Oh well. Live and learn, right? Or maybe not live, ...

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I'll take her on. I'll use my gun, she can use her new-found martial arts skills. We'll see who's left standing.

Never bring a fist to a gun fight.
 
Keltyke said:
Never bring a fist to a gun fight.
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The focus of women's self defense without a gun should be to hit the bad
guy really hard in the general region that you don't normally discuss at
cocktail parties and RUN

Anything else is just silly.

I don't care how much martial arts a lady takes. She's still a girl.
 
I told her that Bruce Lee himself would have likely been shot between the headlights in such a situation. But you just can't tell somepeople anything. The bad part is she has kids and is poisoning them with her crap.

;)

--Dave
 
You should inform her Bruce Lee's son died from a gunshot and it was only loaded with blanks .

How does she think she'll do against real bullets ?
 
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but...

...She's at least acknowledging the need for self-defense. Once she develops a warrior mindset, she might come to the tactical decision to be armed.

Years ago, a young lady I knew told me about the martial arts training she had begun. Without meaning to cause offense, I told her many of the things expressed in this thread, which are, of course, true.

I realize now that she had fragile self-esteem (like many of the posters here, it seems sometimes), and I should have been more supportive.

I think you should encourage her. Once she starts to evaluate her risk, she might change some of her opinions.

Saab, while I agree that as a general rule, women are physically weaker than men, I have known women who have subdued and arrested men bigger than them, without shooting them, and they were still just girls, as you say.

Saying that a woman's only unarmed force option is to kick a guy in the nuts and run is pretty poor advice. Training is valuable, and usually the most important factor in determining the outcome of a fight.

What about the recent case in Texas where the woman fought against her attacker, and, with her husband, ended up killing one and wounding the other. I bet if she had had even a little training, she could have done it herself. She was fighting for her family's lives.

Keltyke, are you suggesting you'd shoot an unarmed woman...? Of course not, you're making a point, but any fight has many variables. Having a firearm is a tremendous advantage, but not insurmountable.
 
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I received Modern Army Combative training (hand-to-hand) prior to deploying Iraq. The very first statement they made in the class was, "No matter what, the winner of the fight will be the FIRST person to bring a gun to it."
 
R1145 said:
Saying that a woman's only unarmed force option is to kick a guy in the nuts and run is pretty poor advice.
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Advising a 90 pound woman to get into a fist fight with a 200 pound man
would likely make you partly responsible for her getting severely injured
or for her going to the great dojo in the sky.
 
Well, I'll admit she is no weakling. She is in good shape. However, she lives in this bubble where she ignores the harsh reality of where she lives. For instance,a couple of years ago we visited for thanksgiving. This was her plan for a family thanksgiving in Los Angeles -- to drive over to East L.A. and find some homeless people and drive them to the Salvation Army for a nice thanksgiving meal. Of course that didn't happen.
--Dave.
 
BigDaddy said:
Well, I'll admit she is no weakling. She is in good shape. However, she lives ni this bubble where she ignores the harsh reality of where she lives. For instance,a couple of years ago we visited for thanksgiving. This was her plan for a family thanksgiving in Los Angeles -- to drive over to East L.A. and find some homeless people and drive them to the Salvation Army for a nice thanksgiving meal. Of course that didn't happen.
--Dave.
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Can you tactfully suggest that she spend the money she budgeted for
martial arts on professional help?
 
The focus of women's self defense without a gun should be to hit the bad guy really hard in the general region that you don't normally discuss at cocktail parties and RUN
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Provided he lets her get that close. If she doesn't totally disable him, she's in deep kim-chee.
I don't care how much martial arts a lady takes. She's still a girl.
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Gender doesn't enter into it. "Armed or not armed" does.
 
I'm a fan of both martial arts training and CCW.

Is martial arts training a replacement for having a concealed weapon? No.

Can martial arts help me avoid the NEED to use deadly force when facing someone with (for instance) a baseball bat, tire iron, etc? It may.

Plus, martial arts are fun!
 
I stopped dating a girl once because she had a yellow belt and was convinced that she was a bad-a$$. We were accosted by a couple of thugs on the street one night. The situation didn't look that dangerous and it looked like we could fast-talk our way out of it. Instead of getting off easy, she started antagonizing them and we damn near had to fight. I had to carry her bodily to the car.

Martial Arts may be good for developing self confidence, vigilance and situational awareness but I've also seen it contribute to a dangerous level of bravado and over confidence.
 
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Lots of posturing - having anyone take a modern combatives course is a good thing, tough guys. If you haven't taken one - you really don't know what you are talking about.

Some of you aren't contributing much to the discussion.
 
Glenn E. Meyer said:
Lots of posturing - having anyone take a modern combatives course is a good thing, tough guys. If you haven't taken one - you really don't know what you are talking about.
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I've had my fair share of martial arts training, but there is no martial
arts that will let me prevail over a mountain gorilla. Same for a woman
who thinks she can prevail over a man.
 
lockedcj7
That is called a character flaw.. I have seen a firearm produce the same results..;)..And a badge for that matter:)
 
So Saab - in your expert opinion - martial arts or combative training categorically is a waste of time for a woman as they cannot beat any man?

Perhaps, you can't prevail over a mountain gorilla - that is a wonderful bit of scientific evidence to prove your point.

So women should not learn escapes or strikes or anything H2H given your expertise?

:barf:
 
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