West Virginia proposes no-permit concealed carry bill

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My state of WV proposed a bill yesterday that would make us the 5th state to allow residents of that state to conceal carry without a permit. Never been prouder to be a Mountaineer!! I expect it to pass. Your thoughts?
 
I'm to a Mountaineer and I like the idea. The only concern I have is some folks need that training on the safe handling of a fire arm.
 
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I'm to a Mountaineer and I like the idea. The only concern I have is some folks need that training on the safe handling of a fire arm.
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1) Where does the Second Amendment say anything about requiring training before one is allowed to exercise the right to keep and bear arms?

2) Just among states close to WV, Pennsylvania does not require any training prerequisite to obtaining a concealed carry permit (which in PA is a License To Carry Firearms, or LTCF). Is there a major discrepancy between Pennsylvania's safety record for concealed carry compared to West Virginia's? If your answer is "Yes," please cite statistics and source.
 
Colorado is going the same route

The big problem for me is reciprocity. States that now honor a Co permit will not let people carry if Co does not issue permits.
 
The big problem for me is reciprocity.
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I also thought of this. Im not going to assume anything, but i would imagine the people proposing this bill would also still allow issuing actual permits for that reason.
 
Thanks BarryLee. I just read the NRA article and this bill would keep in place existing permit issuing. Good deal.
 
Having not read the bill, does the proposed law stop the state from issuing permits to carry?
If memory serves, some other states that allow carry, both open and concealed without a permit, also issue permits to those that wish to have them for reciprocity reasons.
Or did I just dream that?
 
I'm to a Mountaineer and I like the idea. The only concern I have is some folks need that training on the safe handling of a fire arm.
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I'm next door in Virginia and getting a concealed permit does not require any training. You only have to take a "class" and pass a short common sense test. I spent about 10 minutes and spent $19.95 to take my "training" on-line. I then printed out the form and took it to the courthouse along with $50 and got my permit. You can open carry as long as you're not a convicted criminal and a certified mental case.

Also, when I ride my motorcycle or visit relatives in Southern WV, the folks I encounter don't pay much attention to any stinking laws. I meet a lot of ATVs coming at me in the middle of the road at high speeds.
 
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The only concern I have is some folks need that training on the safe handling of a fire arm.
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Not that I take anything from Lott at face value any more than I do Kleck, the VPC, Brady or any other biased group in this debate he did point to Oregon, and Washington in one of his works. According to some random .org reprinting CDC stats, Washington State (no training requirement) had a total firearm death rate of 8.7 per 100K (homicide, suicide and accident) just less than 80% of Oregon (Training required for concealed carry) at 11.0

That's not to say that Training is bad, just that ANY premise should be questioned for accuracy before taking it as gospel. The ones "everybody knows" should be doubly so questioned. The ones "I know" are usually triply questioned.
 
According to some random .org reprinting CDC stats, Washington State (no training requirement) had a total firearm death rate of 8.7 per 100K (homicide, suicide and accident) just less than 80% of Oregon (Training required for concealed carry) at 11.0
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So, maybe the untrained folks in Washington State are simply worse shots than the trained owners in Oregon. ;) The statistics really don't tell us anything.
 
KyJim said:
According to some random .org reprinting CDC stats, Washington State (no training requirement) had a total firearm death rate of 8.7 per 100K (homicide, suicide and accident) just less than 80% of Oregon (Training required for concealed carry) at 11.0
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So, maybe the untrained folks in Washington State are simply worse shots than the trained owners in Oregon. The statistics really don't tell us anything.
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True -- the statistics presented don't tell us anything, because they include intentional shootings, they include shootings by police in the line of duty, and they don't differentiate between permit holders and non-permit holders.

The statistics we need to compare (if they were available, which I doubt) is accidental and negligent shootings by permit holders ... nothing else. Then we look to see whether or not the training requirement makes any statistically significant difference.
 
UPDATE

UPDATE

The bill passed the WV Senate 32-2, now it goes to the House of Reps. The bill also would make the legal age to carry 18 instead of 21. And the bill will still allow CHL permits for reciprocity reasons.
 
It sure sounds like WV is on the right track, I wish Missouri would do the same.

In my opinion when I have to pay for a permit to exercise a right, it ceases being a right and turns into a privilege.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
 
As i expected, the WV Sheriffs association came out of hiding and stated their disapproval. Saying that they would now have to assume that everone is carrying. Uh ok??? Isnt your job as an officer to assume everyone is a potential threat anyways??? Im sure their position isnt based on all the $90 CHL fees they wont be getting from people buying their second ammendment.
 
If the WV Sheriffs association is afraid of armed law abiding citizens maybe they should find a new profession.
As the old saying goes "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen".

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
 
As i expected, the WV Sheriffs association came out of hiding and stated their disapproval. Saying that they would now have to assume that everone is carrying.
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In the western end of southern WV, only a fool would not assume everyone is carrying now. Whether it is legal makes no difference. I once thought the worst place I had ever been was Hurley, Va. I would tell people that regardless of where they lived, they would appreciate it if they went to Hurley. I changed my mind when I went to visit my brother after he moved to Matoaka, WV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matoaka,_West_Virginia
 
Funny you should mention that part of WV, as I am originally from Mingo county. And yes it is foolish to assume that people there arent carrying. Or assume you wont get a few holes put in you if you go opening the wrong doors at night. To my knowledge, as far as Mingo Co. goes, there is only 1-2 sheriffs dept. officers assigned to the whole county at any one time. So they arent having to deal with problems there anyways, its more or less fend for yourself. Good luck calling them to come when you need them or heaven forbid you actually have cell service. :eek:
 
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