These two paragraphs seem to contradict one another. Please clarify. Thanks.
I'll try. What we really need is someone in NY who is well versed in all the current requirements. My knowledge is detailed, but dated to the 1970s when I had a NY pistol permit. I know a few things have changed since then, additional requirements have been added, though I strongly doubt any of the requirements that existed when I got my permit have been reduced until the recent SCOTUS ruling.
Back then (and still today) NY state required a permit to possess a handgun. And the gun was listed on the permit by make, caliber, barrel length, and serial number. Only the gun(s) listed on the permit were legal to own and the permit allowed legal (open) carry of the listed gun(s). The regular permit did not allow concealed carry.
The permit application had a space for "reason for permit". Now, here's where it gets a little sticky. NY permits are issued by county judges. Approval of the permit was entirely up to the local judge.
In 1975 the application required 5 sets of fingerprints, 4 photographs (passport type) and 3 "character references (who were not family members), investigation by several different LEO groups and then, after all that, the judge could approve or deny the application for any reason they chose.
And this was JUST for ownership with open carry (such as for hunting).
You had to do a little "judge shopping" where you lived, to find out what kind of reason to put on the paperwork so the judge would approve it.
For example, in Saratoga County, the judge would not approve any application if the reason given was "self defense/self protection". But he would approve applications for "hunting and sporting use".
The Judge in Albany county would not approve any application if the reason listed on the paperwork was anything other than "self defense".
This was NOT the concealed carry permit, this was just the basic permit to possess. Getting a concealed carry permit was another step beyond that, requiring every thing the regular permit did, and also requiring a specific reason why you needed a concealed carry permit. Acceptable reasons included a "valid" threat (verified by the state) or something like carrying large amounts of cash/jewels (like making an after hours deposit, or things like that).
This additional requirement, needing a state approved specific reason for concealed carry is what the recent SCOTUS ruling shot down. It had been in place for generations, before that.
So, thanks to the can of worms that is NY law, it was possible for someone to have a pistol permit allowing (open) carry issued for "hunting and sporting purposes" OR it was possible to have the same permit issued for "self defense". Its possible there was a judge somewhere in NY that would approve a permit for both, or either, its entirely up to them.
Also, it was entirely legal to use a pistol for self defense if necessary no matter what the permit application said was the reason for wanting the permit. People could also carry or even use their handgun while hunting, if the permit application only said self defense. That might have been an technical violation, but nobody seemed to care....
Also, FYI, ONLY permits issued by NYC were valid in NYC. An NYC permit was valid in the rest of the state, but a state issued permit was not valid in NYC.
These were the rules in the 70s (and earlier) I know that since then, the state changed the lifetime permit to one that expires every few years, increased the cost (hugely) added training requirements (beginning in the very late 70s) which the new law expands tremendously, and probably some other things I'm not aware of at this time.
Some additional information (for background) about how obsessive NY is about handguns and their permits....
I moved out of NY permanently in 1979. In 2001, NY (Saratoga county) apparently "found me" and sent me a letter, informing me that since I was no longer an NY resident, my NY permit was no longer valid. And, they wanted it back!!! (wallet sized (when folded) non laminated piece of paper (not even cardstock) issued in 1975 and they wanted it back!! Also, they wanted to know where the guns listed on that permit were.
The guns I had listed on that permit were my Dad's pistols. Which I had not even seen in over a decade, so I could hardly tell NY where they were, even if I wanted to. (and, I didn't want to
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Due to an auto accident in the later 60s we learned that if my Dad had died, and no one else in the household had a permit for his pistols, they would have to be surrendered. If you turned them in to the county Sherriff, and applied for a permit, they would hold them until the permit was approved or denied. If you turned them in to the State Police (or local police) they would be held X number of days ( I think 90 days but no longer remember exactly) and if you didn't come up with a permit by then, they would be destroyed.
So, as a result, Mom applied right away, and both my brother and I applied when we came of age to do so. (another NY quirk, you could apply for a permit at any age the judge would accept. If the judge would accept it, you didn't have to be 21 or older. You couldn't buy a pistol unless you were 21 but if the judge approved, you could get a permit to possess one at a younger age. My brother and I both got ours at age 18. And we all had all the pistols in the house (Dad's and Mom's) listed on all our permits.
When Dad passed in 2003, I went back home for the funeral and to take care of all the "loose ends". My NY permit was no good, but my brother still had his, with Dad's pistols listed on it, so the state could not take them.
He had to be the one to take the 3 of them I was getting to an FFL dealer for shipment to my out of state FFL. I could not legally do it, as I could not legally possess those guns in NY state. (I did go with him, to arrange the details, and pay for the shipment).
Hope this gives you some background on how NY is about handguns, and clarifies what I said earlier.