Come on guys, I don't think he condoning genocide. I think he's just trying to say that maybe our society spends too much effort on the wrong folks. We seem to have no problem spending $10k-$20K per year keeping someone in prison, yet there are thousands of great kids who can't afford a college education. We give thousands of dollars to a person to live in govt. subsidized housing who've never worked a day in their life, then when some poor guy who's been working for 20 yrs. injures himself on the job, the govt. barely even covers his basic bills while he's recuperating.
Weed the Garden?
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Quite a wide variety of responses here. It is truly amazing the amount of money we spend on lifetime welfare abusers, have people in prison who have more perks and opportunities for education than most of our children. The list goes on and on. I personally feel we have a responsibility to our aged and infirmed. Alotting for a person to short term get back on their feet as well. What truly amazes me is the opinions toward what welfare is....I see very little distinction between abusers of the welfare system and the generations of farmers and ranchers who get paid for sitting on their lower 40 not growing anything or are subsidized to the point that we are maintaining their businesses for them. Nobody is doing that for me.....
elkman
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cool hand luke 22:36
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Only superficially.
China criminal courts have a 98% conviction rate with none of the rights of the accused that we have. Not much of an appeal process, let alone the long one we have.
China executes four times as many prisoners as the rest of the world combined. They are even introducing mobile execution vans this month.
China is known to impose the death penalty when it wants to harvest organs for international sale.
China executes people for non-violent crimes such as tax evasion. We have nothing like that.
rugerp95dc
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so i guess you rather have child molesters and rapists out in society instead of making room for them so they can have longer sentences. im glad YOU are not in a position of authority.
grymster2007
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Yes.... there's much to be learned from the Chinese!
Latest reported numbers...believe them or not
1 of evey 100 adults in the US is in Jail or prison! Can't say it is true, and I won't say it's not, but wow! Just wow! Imagine that, here, in the Land of the Free, we have 1% of our population in prison (and jail).
Anybody think that maybe, just maybe, we have too many crimes in our lives punishable by imprisonment? I am old enough to remember the times when a man and his wife could argue without have the cops haul one of them to jail. I can remember the days when women could and would slap men for being "fresh", and when their male escorts (or just some guy next to them) would punch out guys who cursed infront of a woman, or made "improper advances", or took "liberties". And these guys not only did not go to jail, they were commended by all and sundry (except of course the guy that got punched - and sometimes even by him-"guess I had that coming" etc.)
We aren't like China - yet. But we seem to heading in that direction. Maybe it is a result of having too many people too close together. We are mammals, after all, and as has been proven in many expiriments with lab animals, when dirt, noise, and overcrowding reach certain limits, insanity, eventually mass insanity is the result. Rats eat their young. Lemmings run off cliffs. The level is different for different species, wonder what the level is for humans? How close are we? I don't know for sure, but I feel we are closer than we ever have been before. Doubt me? Just turn on a TV.
1 of evey 100 adults in the US is in Jail or prison! Can't say it is true, and I won't say it's not, but wow! Just wow! Imagine that, here, in the Land of the Free, we have 1% of our population in prison (and jail).
Anybody think that maybe, just maybe, we have too many crimes in our lives punishable by imprisonment? I am old enough to remember the times when a man and his wife could argue without have the cops haul one of them to jail. I can remember the days when women could and would slap men for being "fresh", and when their male escorts (or just some guy next to them) would punch out guys who cursed infront of a woman, or made "improper advances", or took "liberties". And these guys not only did not go to jail, they were commended by all and sundry (except of course the guy that got punched - and sometimes even by him-"guess I had that coming" etc.)
We aren't like China - yet. But we seem to heading in that direction. Maybe it is a result of having too many people too close together. We are mammals, after all, and as has been proven in many expiriments with lab animals, when dirt, noise, and overcrowding reach certain limits, insanity, eventually mass insanity is the result. Rats eat their young. Lemmings run off cliffs. The level is different for different species, wonder what the level is for humans? How close are we? I don't know for sure, but I feel we are closer than we ever have been before. Doubt me? Just turn on a TV.
RedneckFur
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Personally, I'm glad those days are over. Women wanted equality, and they got it. You cant have one foot on the floor and one up on the pedastal as well. When you live in a society where half the population is better than the other half just by birthright, then you do not not live in the "land of the free" I'm afraid.
The discussion thus far has been a bit myopic in focusing on the weeding aspect, rather than the fertilizing one. A good point is raised in that "we" do generally have that attitude that if we just define the constraints right, every equation will yield a favorable result. If we take guns away, they won't kill each other. If we throw money at them to give them a leg up, they'll keep the momentum and improve their lives. Regardless of what utopian ideals would attempt, I think we've had a long enough run of social fertilizing to establish that, at least empirically, the current fertilizing processes at work are failing miserably. I absolutely believe in helping those who cannot help themselves by no fault of their own, but these are certainly in the minority of people who get our tax dollar compost. I don't think purging anyone was seriously posited herein, but perhaps laying off the sun and water would help make the place run more efficiently. We need not weed anyone when they weed themselves out. We admit some people ought not have firearms - felons, substance users, people who are dangerously unstable, people who are too young to have developed sound judgment - in spite of considering firearm ownership absolutely fundamental to liberty. But we would still see exorbitant amounts of money go to trying to change this otherwise conceded flaw in them, or worse, changing society to tolerate such deviance? At what point does a weed's right to be a weed interfere with the regular lawn's well-being? Should the lawn simply be a casualty of the few's freedom? Could that not imply that firearms might be rounded up for the perceived good of the state or a minority therein as well? While there are certain connotations that come with this sort of a statement in China, I think our (much different) context should afford the premise more discussion than simply pointing a finger and accusing someone of wanting to wipe out the opposition party.
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I think all the people who would like to model our society and criminal justice system after China should just move there and enjoy the flower garden.
I am happy to stay here with the weeds.
I am happy to stay here with the weeds.
