Old Bill Dibble
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Honestly I am puzzled by the lack of action too. It could just be a numbers thing.
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Weed and guns
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If we lose the 2nd,it will likely be done with the frog boil method.
A "sensible compromise ",EPA regs,import bans,the "zero tolerance" in schools as a vehicle of indoctrination,etc.Lack of introductory cheap .22 ammo.....
Its done 1% at a time.Little ratchet steps over many years.
Plenty of folks used pot in Colorado before it was "legalized".But now it is more mainstream,and usage has gone up.More important,folks don't conceal use.They are open about it.
Status quo,each of them is legally giving up the 2nd Amendment.
I/We think in terms of choosing between pot and guns as choosing to keep our RTKBA. A Generation of "Legal" pot smokers might come to the same conclusion,but from the opposite direction"Whoa,dude,no,don't buy a gun or go shooting,you'll be a felon.
They will prioritize pot over the RTKBA.
And they won't care much about MY RTKBA. If they can't have a gun,what do I need one for? Just toke up,eat Cheetos,and forget that gun stuff.Get mellow.
I have observed the price of a place to live has become insane because folks are moving to the pot state.Like a $180,000 house is suddenly a $400,000 house.
We now have a major transient/homeless problem from all those who move here and camp in the park to have weed.
Our LEO's have a new crop of problems to deal with,and the polticians are having meetings,sipping lattes and eating croissants figuring out what to spend the pot tax money on....like a"new age utopia".
Of course,we need new social programs and bureaucracies that will never go away because "that's progress"
I don't think the current administration will give up any tool to disarm people.
A "sensible compromise ",EPA regs,import bans,the "zero tolerance" in schools as a vehicle of indoctrination,etc.Lack of introductory cheap .22 ammo.....
Its done 1% at a time.Little ratchet steps over many years.
Plenty of folks used pot in Colorado before it was "legalized".But now it is more mainstream,and usage has gone up.More important,folks don't conceal use.They are open about it.
Status quo,each of them is legally giving up the 2nd Amendment.
I/We think in terms of choosing between pot and guns as choosing to keep our RTKBA. A Generation of "Legal" pot smokers might come to the same conclusion,but from the opposite direction"Whoa,dude,no,don't buy a gun or go shooting,you'll be a felon.
They will prioritize pot over the RTKBA.
And they won't care much about MY RTKBA. If they can't have a gun,what do I need one for? Just toke up,eat Cheetos,and forget that gun stuff.Get mellow.
I have observed the price of a place to live has become insane because folks are moving to the pot state.Like a $180,000 house is suddenly a $400,000 house.
We now have a major transient/homeless problem from all those who move here and camp in the park to have weed.
Our LEO's have a new crop of problems to deal with,and the polticians are having meetings,sipping lattes and eating croissants figuring out what to spend the pot tax money on....like a"new age utopia".
Of course,we need new social programs and bureaucracies that will never go away because "that's progress"
I don't think the current administration will give up any tool to disarm people.
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marines6433
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Well, if a state says the sale of booze or pot is legal, then it certainly has the right to say whether or not you can have one of their permits to carry. There is one problem though...booze screws you up just as much as pot can, so why would they single out pot and not booze? I don't get it.
Old Bill Dibble
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This thread isn't really about the merits of which drug makes you act goofiest but how your consumption of certain drugs effects your rights.
Marine,its a long and complicated story.I suggest you simply look up "History of Marijuana law".There is a PBS article with a timeline that adds some perspective.
This is not about guns,so the mods may not want us to go there much.
We DID have alchohol prohibition.It did not work so well.
There was a lot of history with Mexico turn of the beginning of the 20th century.Mexico was going through changes.There was a problem with Germany encouraging Mexico to reclaim lands of the Southwest going into WW1.The communicationswere published in the newspapers,creating public sentiment.Post WW! economic times were hard.Labor from south of the border was useful during WW!,but resented as competition post WW1.
Pot was the recreational drug of. choice for many of the people who came from Mexico.
The roots of the law? WE don't do that,but THEY do...and it was a way to create hostile environment for THEM,so they would leave,or else.
The movie "Reefer Madness",contrary to popular opinion today,was not a comedy.It was fear propaganda.
Political agendas and platforms,agencies and bureaucracies took over from there.
There is aa whole lot of propaganda in both directions about pot.
"Truth has no agenda" and those with agenda don't bother much with truth.
Just my opinion,pot is not the panacea it is claimed to be by some people.
Its also not the demon other folks think it is.
I do not find any rational reason to connect pot use to not being able to posess a firearm.It makes no more sense than saying a pot smoker cannot have a car.
Drunk and stoned people represent a danger if they drive.Drunk and stoned people area danger holding a gun.
We don't make owning a car a felony if you sip a beer watching football.
The law ,IMO,makes no sense.In time,it likely will change.
But that all does not change the fact that right now,today,the law is what it is.
Right now today,I prefer to not take the risk of having or using pot and guns at the same time.The law is the problem,not the guns or the pot,but in order to take care of myself,I do without the pot.
This is not about guns,so the mods may not want us to go there much.
We DID have alchohol prohibition.It did not work so well.
There was a lot of history with Mexico turn of the beginning of the 20th century.Mexico was going through changes.There was a problem with Germany encouraging Mexico to reclaim lands of the Southwest going into WW1.The communicationswere published in the newspapers,creating public sentiment.Post WW! economic times were hard.Labor from south of the border was useful during WW!,but resented as competition post WW1.
Pot was the recreational drug of. choice for many of the people who came from Mexico.
The roots of the law? WE don't do that,but THEY do...and it was a way to create hostile environment for THEM,so they would leave,or else.
The movie "Reefer Madness",contrary to popular opinion today,was not a comedy.It was fear propaganda.
Political agendas and platforms,agencies and bureaucracies took over from there.
There is aa whole lot of propaganda in both directions about pot.
"Truth has no agenda" and those with agenda don't bother much with truth.
Just my opinion,pot is not the panacea it is claimed to be by some people.
Its also not the demon other folks think it is.
I do not find any rational reason to connect pot use to not being able to posess a firearm.It makes no more sense than saying a pot smoker cannot have a car.
Drunk and stoned people represent a danger if they drive.Drunk and stoned people area danger holding a gun.
We don't make owning a car a felony if you sip a beer watching football.
The law ,IMO,makes no sense.In time,it likely will change.
But that all does not change the fact that right now,today,the law is what it is.
Right now today,I prefer to not take the risk of having or using pot and guns at the same time.The law is the problem,not the guns or the pot,but in order to take care of myself,I do without the pot.
"There is one problem though...booze screws you up just as much as pot can, so why would they single out pot and not booze? I don't get it."
Very simple. The liquor industry has big bucks and a very powerful lobby. Nuff said? Who do you think paid under the table for that ridiculous movie Marijuana Madness?
Paul B.
Very simple. The liquor industry has big bucks and a very powerful lobby. Nuff said? Who do you think paid under the table for that ridiculous movie Marijuana Madness?
Paul B.
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