We just lost one of our own to a AD/ND

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Not smart IMHO. There are some guns I would and do pocket carry a Glock is not one of them.
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Well some TFL members would certainly disagree with you along with the makers of quality holsters. If you don't think a Glock is safe enough to carry in a pocket holster, then it isn't safe enough to carry in a regular holster either.
 
To each their own. I stated that do not think it is a good idea to pocket carry a Glock I did not expect everyone to agree with me. The issue with pocket carry is that there are a lot of movements near and in pockets that do not occur near a belt holster. I have never reached into my holster to get my keys or cell phone.

If I pocket carry I do so in a pocket holster with guns with heavy DA triggers. A heavy DA trigger like the one on a S&W 642 more than likely would have prevent this death. Again IMHO.
 
I have never reached into my holster to get my keys or cell phone.
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I'd not recommend keeping keys or a phone in the same pocket as the gun. The only time I put anything in a pocket alongside a gun is when I use a small coin purse to break up the outline of a Beretta Tomcat, and that stays OUTSIDE the holster (holster is a DeSantis Nemesis, which is very grippy; the rubber coin purse doesn't shift around).
 
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What do you mean, "one of our own"? Was he a TFL member

No about member but I guess it is possible. I would like to think that he was a fellow CCWer pro 2nd amendment. It just comes off that we to me, but it is speculation at this point.
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Then change the damn thread title. I do not appreciate seeing such a post, opening it with the dread that we had lost a member, and then finding out the 'our own' part was sensationalism to get people to open it. Else-wise, why the

Forgive me for the title, but I wanted TFL Members to see this article.
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I have never reached into my holster to get my keys or cell phone.
I'd not recommend keeping keys or a phone in the same pocket as the gun. The only time I put anything in a pocket alongside a gun is when I use a small coin purse to break up the outline of a Beretta Tomcat, and that stays OUTSIDE the holster (holster is a DeSantis Nemesis, which is very grippy; the rubber coin purse doesn't shift around).
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I agree but people still do it. Also people reach to their pocket out of habit or muscle memory.

I have nothing but the pocket gun in the pocket when I carry that way.

I used to live in Fredericksburg at know that shopping center well. The other part of the article I did not understand is why it appears he waited to call 911 after shooting himself. I certainly would not have waited until my wife returned to the car to call for help if I had just shot myself.
 
It's a shame that he died, but it's his own fault. There are plenty of stupid gun owners out there, and this guy was almost certainly one of them.
 
If I pocket carry I do so in a pocket holster with guns with heavy DA triggers. A heavy DA trigger like the one on a S&W 642 more than likely would have prevent this death.
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Funny how such heavy triggers are also involved in regular holster NDs and related injuries.

I have never reached into my holster to get my keys or cell phone.
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Good for you, but as Technosavant noted, you should not be carrying other items in the same pocket that carries a firearm. Had the gun been in a proper holster, there would be no issue at all with the trigger's weight as there would be no way for the trigger to be depressed given that it would have been fully covered.
 
Sad story, but also an opportunity to save other lives from such accidents. The combination of loose pocket carry and the Glock's known lighter than usual trigger resulted in a tragedy. Maybe it's a perception and not reality, but it does seem that Glocks are involved in a higher fraction of these incidents than their market share would indicate.
 
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I feel for the family that lost a Dad - son - brother - uncle - .....:(

Please consider "how important is it to carry a loaded handgun for a trip to the store"

In certain local neighborhoods that i visit, I can understand it. But - whatever problem he may have addressed with the pistol, he may have been able to address with a can of pepper spray.
 
But - whatever problem he may have addressed with the pistol, he may have been able to address with a can of pepper spray.
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...or carrying with an empty chamber...
...or carrying in the glovebox...
...or carrying a keltec with a heavy long trigger...
...or carrying in a holster...

I said it before and I'll say it again, there are way too many idiots that carry like they think they need to be prepared for the end of the world. I completely respect his decision to carry, but he was a moron for carrying the WAY he did.
 
Here is how I've managed to pocket carry my Glock 26 in condition one safely since 2001:

1. Have a good quality holster designed for the pistol you are carrying, even for pocket carry. I use a Galco Pocket Holster designed for the Glock 26. It covers the trigger completely and is rigid enough that nothing can protrude into the trigger guard.

2. There should not be anything in the pistol pocket but the pistol.

3. Good quality formal instruction goes a long way in helping you recognize potentially unsafe carrying practices.

Most importantly, if you aren't confident you can carry the gun safely, don't carry it until you learn how to do that from a competent instructor.

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Please consider "how important is it to carry a loaded handgun for a trip to the store"
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I'm sorry; but that doesn't have a damn thing to do with the problem. The problem is that he carried the handgun in an unsafe manner. Everyday around the United States there are pistols in grocery stores hundreds of thousands of times and yet nobody gets shot because for the most part, they are carried in a safe manner.

The whole idea behind carrying "only when you need it" is nonsense. If I had the ability to know when I would need it, I wouldn't go there to begin with. And sadly, trouble shows up in the most unlikely places - like this robbery inside a Sugar Land, TX Randall's grocery store in which an off-duty deputy was shot. Sugar Land is not a rough area and in fact, one of the witnesses talks about how she has never seen anything like that in her 13 years of living there. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, even though the wrong place looked exactly like that perfectly safe place she had been using regularly for 13 years.
 
The other part of the article I did not understand is why it appears he waited to call 911 after shooting himself. I certainly would not have waited until my wife returned to the car to call for help if I had just shot myself.
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This is what I don't get. And even after she came back, he said he "thought" he shot himself? If a .40 pistol goes off... inside your pocket... how can you have any doubt about what happened?
 
i know nothing about Glocks, but i do occasionally carry my SIG P-226 Navy in my BDU's side pocket which i have a sewn in holster and never carry anything else in that pocket, the spare mag. is in the left pocket.

very sorry to hear of this accident. best wishes and condolences to the family.
 
The other part of the article I did not understand is why it appears he waited to call 911 after shooting himself. I certainly would not have waited until my wife returned to the car to call for help if I had just shot myself.
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I think she was close enough so that she immediately double-backed. By the article, they were talking before he even knew exactly what happened. He told his wife, "I think I shot myself."
 
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It's a shame that he died, but it's his own fault. There are plenty of stupid gun owners out there, and this guy was almost certainly one of them.
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Actually Chack, that thinking has proven to be a problem in the past. You just might be right, so I am not unsympathetic to your post. The fact of the matter though is we do not know this man's background or expertise level by reading this article. He might've had years and years experience with firearms. We do not know what exactly transpired and/or led to the AD/ND either.


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In before the lock.
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why would it be locked Chadio?
 
"or expertise level by reading this article"

That's statement is true, but what reputable trainer, school, government agency or military branch teaches pocket carry without a holster? I know, the advanced school of Mexican carry. ;)

And do some of the people posting in this thread really believe that when we discuss pocket carry on TFL we are talking about doing it without a holster? Let's clear that up right now.

Forgot something. From the articles I've read, she heard the POP because she was standing at the RedBox on the sidewalk and the van was parked right there in the fire lane. He was in shock I'm guessing.
 
Holster carry would have prevented this.


I still don't see a seat belt rubbing a trigger guard and pulling the trigger.I'm going out on a limb by saying he either had something else in that pocket or he had alted the trigger in some way.Think about it,how would a seat belt hit the trigger while his gun was in his pants pocket,there is more to this story than meets the eye.

I've been carrying glocks for some time now i have altered all my triggers but the one my wife carrys and i've never had a n/d a/d.Heck i've had my sig 229 slide all the way down my leg,hit the ground and across the parking lot and nothing happened,well except for scaring me and 3 little ole ladies.
 
I pocket carry quite often, without a holster.

My Keltec P11 has a belt clip on it as does my NAA .22 in a holster grip.

The 11 pound trigger on my DAO keltec makes it pretty safe even when I'm not using the clip, but I still leave the chamber empty unless I am in a situation where I percieve a heightened risk.

In a mini van with yoour kids is not a risk area, and even if it was, there would have been no speed advantage to drawing from his pocket while seated compared to pulling it out of the glovebox or center console.
 
John I agree w/your post, but it isn't confirmed how he was carrying. I too disagree about carrying without a holster whether in the pocket or not.

...as for the seatbelt thing, I'm guessing he bent over or twisted somehow putting strain on the firearm(and inturn got a more direct, deadly shot on himself). Maybe he ws a big guy or something.
 
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