Washington state man shoots gun in air, and says because of Biden.

Glen,

I'm wondering if the guy didn't do it on purpose. Anyhow, at the end of the story, at the Washington Times, I thought it was funny that the Delaware Assistant Attorney General contradicted ol' Joe, and said Jill could have faced charges over her hubbies advice.
 
My wife heard Joe's advice and cracked up.There's a case where a guy picked up a shotgun and oops it just went off and shot a teenager's head off. The kid had come to his door to apologize for rowdy halloween antics of friends.

Previously, the homeowner had run outside to chase the kids away with a canoe paddle. So one kids decides to apologize. Homeowner says (:rolleyes:) the kid was trying the handle to get in and do evil. Homeowners says that he reached into the nearby closet to find something of wood and steel to scare him. Why surprise it was a shotgun and it just went off. He said he didn't have it at his shoulder (med. examiner said he did). Kid was dead.

He got, IIRC, 2 years for some kind of killing someone stupidly charge.
 
Good old Uncle "buy a shotgun" Joe!

He's the vice president!?!? And the second best gun salesman the White House. ;)


We'll have to see what comes of this one, but some lady in Florida got 20 years for firing a warning shot!

He better have a good lawyer.

Boomer
 
I knew this was going to happen eventually.

Hopefully some judge or jury will accept the explanation as an affirmative defense...
 
Hopefully some judge or jury will accept the explanation as an affirmative defense...
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Oh, please, Please, PLEASE! If only that would happen!

Could the guy call Uncle Joe in as an 'expert witness'?
 
Sounds like Jeffery Barton should not be allowed to own firearms if he isn't willing to learn and understand the laws of his particular area and will stupidly follow statements made by others without consideration as to whether or not the statements are morally, ethically, or legally valid.

Last I checked, Joe Biden does not assume responsibility for the actions of others and even if he gave out advice that was wrong (but did not actually give it to Jeffery Barton), he was not serving in any sort of legal capacity to represent Barton.

Hopefully some judge or jury will accept the explanation as an affirmative defense...
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That would be like a "the devil made me do it" sort of affirmative defense?

Hopefully, the judge will throw the book at the guy as an irresponsible gun owner.

I fail to understand why so many people won't take responsibility for their own actions.
 
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Sounds like Jeffery Barton should not be allowed to own firearms if he isn't willing to learn and understand the laws of his particular area and will stupidly follow statements made by others without consideration as to whether or not the statements are morally, ethically, or legally valid.
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I agree. On some level, a satisfying chortle seems tempting, but Barton is horribly irresponsible, and he could have hurt a bystander.
 
I'm not saying that this guy wasn't irresponsible and idiotic.

But when a national authority figure like the vice president of the United States says this is how you deal with a potential home invader, there are going to be more than a few people - people whose critical thinking and analytical skills aren't what ours are - who can be influenced to take that "advice" and run with it as if it is good.
 
Just because the Vice President tells you to break the law, doesn't give anyone the right to break the law. History is full of idiot leaders who have told their subjects to do things that were illegal, or utterly immoral. In fact, in the military if a superior officer commands you to do something that is against the law, you can use your God given brain and refuse.

When it comes to how to properly handle guns, there are hundreds of thousands of experienced individuals who provide good gun handling advice, training, and knowledge to other gun owners. That's the weight of thousands who consistently provide good advice to one dope who provided very bad gun handling advice. No one has the right to rely on "intentional stupidity" as a defense to their actions.
 
Sigh. I know quoting the VP is no excuse for doing something stupid and illegal and the guy DID do something stupid and illegal and 'the debil made me do it' defense is no defense at all and the guy SHOULD be punished.

That said I just REALLY enjoy the VP's dumb advice being shown up for what it is and I hope he is embarrassed by what he advised people to do and I hope people realize THIS is the level of expertise these folks have when they are talking about guns and gun control.
 
Does this make Uncle Joe an accessory to the crime?

I mean, if we can't use him as an affirmative defense, we could use him as a defendant, right?
 
But when a national authority figure like the vice president of the United States says this is how you deal with a potential home invader, there are going to be more than a few people - people whose critical thinking and analytical skills aren't what ours are - who can be influenced to take that "advice" and run with it as if it is good.
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I see the problem now. You have associated a "potential home invasion" with vehicular burglary. Barton wasn't dealing with a potential home invader. It wasn't even close. He thought somebody might be burglarizing his vehicles and stated such...for which there was absolutely no evidence.

To police, Barton reportedly said he had fired the gun while chasing away people who he thought were breaking into his vehicles.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/man-joe-biden-shotgun-defense-94395.html#ixzz2ZVRfpJmj

Deputies have been investigating whether a large teen party that got out of control at a neighbor’s home may have been linked to the shooting. However, at this point, deputies have said there was no evidence of prowlers on Barton’s property.
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Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...man-accused-illegally-firing-s/#ixzz2ZVSJ4OU2

Joe Biden's suggestions were not directed toward vehicular burglary defense. The use of Joe Biden's input as an excuse for doing what Barton did is just plain silly.
 
Does this make Uncle Joe an accessory to the crime?
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It makes him an idiot, but I sure hope it doesn't make him an accessory to a crime. I will admit, I have given out (rarely) bad gun advice. Someone called me out on something I said on this forum just last week or so. Free bad advice is just that - bad advice; not a criminal offense (to my knowledge).
 
He lives in the city of Wilminton, but charges are brought by the county sheriff?
Does this sheriffs department enforce city code?

Either way... Biden and this guy are both idiots. :D
 
He lives in the city of Wilminton, but charges are brought by the county sheriff?
Does this sheriffs department enforce city code?
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He doesn't live in Wilmington anything. He lives in Vancouver, WA.

Every Democrat must be held accountable for every word he utters - for unless he is held to account, he will continue to speak nonsense. Jeffrey Barton should be given a medal for taking Vice-Presidential advice, and we should all follow in his footsteps. Fill the sky with lead! The only way to reform a clueless liberal, is to do what he says, and let him see the results of his beliefs in actual practice.
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How are you going to reform Jeffrey Barton? Oh right, he got arrested for being stupid and doing illegal things with his shotgun. You want to reward a person for breaking the law? Really that is what you are advocating here?
 
Just because the Vice President tells you to break the law, doesn't give anyone the right to break the law. History is full of idiot leaders who have told their subjects to do things that were illegal, or utterly immoral. In fact, in the military if a superior officer commands you to do something that is against the law, you can use your God given brain and refuse.
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It's not a very good defense, but it SHOULD result in a subpoena for Uncle Joe; make him testify -- in person -- and get a good butt-chewing from the judge and/or prosecutor. [I'd pay to watch that]

And I said it wasn't a *good* defense. It most certainly should be part of his defense; it ought to help a little. (unless they counter with "Biden is an idiot, everybody knows that, what on earth were you doing listening to ANYTHING he says?!?" )
 
I have no intention of, or interest in, "reforming" Jeffrey Barton. If I were empaneled on his jury, I would vote to acquit him. Imagine the embarrassment to the Administration when the press reports Barton's jury, in a fit of "jury nullification," acquitted him because of specific and detailed advice from the Vice-President. Hmmm, it might be another two or three years before we hear from Mr. Biden again.
 
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