Want another 1911
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runningbear
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I did some trading of two Kimber 1911 .45s for two new Colt 1911 .45s had to add some cash not a lot,ended up with a Colt Mod.1991 and a Colt Mod. XSE both have quality fit and finish's and both shoot great. I vote for Colt.
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Springfields are made in Brazil and only some are assembled in the USA. I am not sure where Ruger gets theirs. STI has their parts made by Amscor in the Phillipines and finished in the US.
I think Colt and Kimbers are good products. I grew up shooting Colts and don't currently own one and I have a Kimber Raptor that has been great. Remington might be a good one to look at also.
I think Colt and Kimbers are good products. I grew up shooting Colts and don't currently own one and I have a Kimber Raptor that has been great. Remington might be a good one to look at also.
What I like
I have a Kimber CDPll, Which is alloy frame and full size in a 45. I really like the alloy frame part and the dehorning of the edges. I have 10,000 rounds thru it.
I have replaced springs as routine maintenance. If you feed it good ammo it is 100% reliable for me. It also has night sights that are really good in low light conditions.
I have a Kimber CDPll, Which is alloy frame and full size in a 45. I really like the alloy frame part and the dehorning of the edges. I have 10,000 rounds thru it.
I have replaced springs as routine maintenance. If you feed it good ammo it is 100% reliable for me. It also has night sights that are really good in low light conditions.
runningbear
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They quit making them why I have no idea,the Para CCO LDA 4".45acp, all stainless steel .45.
I am guessing the cost I paid over $900 US for mine.
Has this super good trigger,a little flapper of a hammer you would think it can't hit the primer hard enough to fire the gun, but it does it just fine.
It's been replaced by the Para Wart Hog, it's really not the same Para as my CCO LDA.
I am guessing the cost I paid over $900 US for mine.
Has this super good trigger,a little flapper of a hammer you would think it can't hit the primer hard enough to fire the gun, but it does it just fine.
It's been replaced by the Para Wart Hog, it's really not the same Para as my CCO LDA.
I am not sure how much the OP wants to stay with a totally American firearm but the Para's are made in Canada and the headquarters for Para USA is in Pineville Nc but no production exists there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para-Ordnance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para-Ordnance
Springfield owns a forgery in Brazil, and yes the cheaper models are assembeled there, some of the more expensive ones are assembled in the US.
Ruger casts most of their own parts.
STI has their cheapest model the Spartan's parts built by Armscor and finish them themselves (actually great guns for the money) Their other models are US produced.
Kimber's are OK, I like mine, but some have issues.
Remingtons are junk, and now also own Para which are also junk.
For a 9mm 1911 USA made, I'd look for a Dan Wesson or a STI. I have a STI Tactical SS 5.0 9mm that is probably my favorite handgun. However your 1K budget might need to grow a little for a DW or STI. The lawman's are cheaper, but still around $1200.
Also I really wouldn't get too caught up in where something is made in all honesty. All companies make lemons, its my job to deal with them.
Some over seas companies are making stuff better than being made here.
Also it depends on how literal you'd like to take it. Even the $$$ custom - production guns like WC, LB, Nighthawk ect... aren't using steel that was made in Pittsburg.
Some over seas companies are making stuff better than being made here.
Also it depends on how literal you'd like to take it. Even the $$$ custom - production guns like WC, LB, Nighthawk ect... aren't using steel that was made in Pittsburg.
Springfield doesn't own a foundry in Brazil. Imbel produces 1911 for the American market through Springfield.
Taken from this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL
M1911 pistols: Project Colt - IMBEL acquired a manufacturing license for the M1911 pistol, and has exported pistols to the United States of America through Springfield Armory, Inc. (sold under the Springfield Armory brand) since 1985. It produces .380 ACP, 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W and .45 ACP models. All Springfield Armory, Inc. 1911's with an "IMBEL, Brazil" stamp start on IMBEL's production lines.
Taken from this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL
M1911 pistols: Project Colt - IMBEL acquired a manufacturing license for the M1911 pistol, and has exported pistols to the United States of America through Springfield Armory, Inc. (sold under the Springfield Armory brand) since 1985. It produces .380 ACP, 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W and .45 ACP models. All Springfield Armory, Inc. 1911's with an "IMBEL, Brazil" stamp start on IMBEL's production lines.
Never truer words...
10 years ago there were TONS of people who were quite disappointed at the failure rate and how ammo-finicky their American-made Kimbers were. Meanwhile, most Philippine Armscor specimens (I think it may have only been RIA back then but I'm not positive) were just about as accurate as the Kimbers and would eat any ammo you put in them. I still think RIA and most Armscor firearms are GTG. From what I'm hearing Kimber has improved their pistols significantly and many more people are happier with them now, but American made does not always equal best. I am patriotic and I like supporting American companies... but when we're discussing firearms that's not my primary concern.
Got this from another website,so I can't
say it's gospel:
I'm looking for another 1911. I'm stubborn. Make that very stubborn. I only buy and own (all) American made 1911's. As I dig a little, I find there are very few, make that none that I can find, mass produced 1911's made in America. SA frames and slides are made in Brazil. Some STI's are made in the Philippines. Para USA still made in Canada. Smith and Wesson bought out by the Germans. Colt is going foreign/offshore. U.S. Marines are carrying Benelli shotguns. Kimber is hooking up with HK? Winchesters made in Japan. Besides Ruger and Remington are any decent .45 pistols made in the USA??
say it's gospel:
I'm looking for another 1911. I'm stubborn. Make that very stubborn. I only buy and own (all) American made 1911's. As I dig a little, I find there are very few, make that none that I can find, mass produced 1911's made in America. SA frames and slides are made in Brazil. Some STI's are made in the Philippines. Para USA still made in Canada. Smith and Wesson bought out by the Germans. Colt is going foreign/offshore. U.S. Marines are carrying Benelli shotguns. Kimber is hooking up with HK? Winchesters made in Japan. Besides Ruger and Remington are any decent .45 pistols made in the USA??
silverstang23
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It doesn't really meet your requirement but I purchased a sig 1911 recently. They are in the $800 range for the most part. I am really happy with it. Very reliable and great trigger and action through the first 350 rounds. For a bit more money the Dan Wesson Valor is very nice. My LGS was at $1200 on a silver one.
I would bet most who bicker about it and nit pick at it live close to a community college that offers classes in macro economics, so I won't get into it in here.
I don't care where the steel or parts are made, so as long as they are made right. In spec is just that in spec. I had a used $200 RIA 1911 that I used to keep in my car that was 100% reliable. Was it as nice as my other high end 1911's? No, but it worked when I needed it to, might not shoot a 1'' group at 50 yards, but neither can a $1000 Colt.
Technically a Taurus TCP is an american made firearm... Made in Taurus's plant in Miami USA. It's a pretty nice facility actually, nice indoor range. I will let you guess at our shops return rate on those.
Another fun fact about Taurus most gun guru's don't know is they produce some of the machinery some of your beloved guns are made on... sad but true.
I get wanting to support local companies... by all means it is possible, but not for $100. Find a local pistol smith.. or even a non local one, Look up the pistol smiths guild, and have a 1911 to your liking built. It is worth the investment, and you can pick every single part and "have it your way."
Problem is people want everything for nothing.. and American labor, specially skilled gun smith labor... COSTS MONEY.
Sport optics... European and Japanese optics are much better than USA made optics. Don't let Leupold fool you.... They buy Nikon Japan glass for their scopes. They are ASSEMBLED in the US.
It doesn't stop at just the firarms industry... check the label on your clothes, shoes, car, cell phone, computer, food, .... EVERYTHING.
My $300 Northface jacket was not MADE in the US but its a US based company.
To the OP, as I said... if you want a QUALITY USA made firearm, check out Dan Wesson, STI, or I forgot to mention Fusion Firearms. Fusion is owned by Bob Serva, formally the owner of Dan Wesson before they were bought by CZ.
I don't care where the steel or parts are made, so as long as they are made right. In spec is just that in spec. I had a used $200 RIA 1911 that I used to keep in my car that was 100% reliable. Was it as nice as my other high end 1911's? No, but it worked when I needed it to, might not shoot a 1'' group at 50 yards, but neither can a $1000 Colt.
Technically a Taurus TCP is an american made firearm... Made in Taurus's plant in Miami USA. It's a pretty nice facility actually, nice indoor range. I will let you guess at our shops return rate on those.
Another fun fact about Taurus most gun guru's don't know is they produce some of the machinery some of your beloved guns are made on... sad but true.I get wanting to support local companies... by all means it is possible, but not for $100. Find a local pistol smith.. or even a non local one, Look up the pistol smiths guild, and have a 1911 to your liking built. It is worth the investment, and you can pick every single part and "have it your way."
Problem is people want everything for nothing.. and American labor, specially skilled gun smith labor... COSTS MONEY.
Sport optics... European and Japanese optics are much better than USA made optics. Don't let Leupold fool you.... They buy Nikon Japan glass for their scopes. They are ASSEMBLED in the US.
It doesn't stop at just the firarms industry... check the label on your clothes, shoes, car, cell phone, computer, food, .... EVERYTHING.
My $300 Northface jacket was not MADE in the US but its a US based company.
To the OP, as I said... if you want a QUALITY USA made firearm, check out Dan Wesson, STI, or I forgot to mention Fusion Firearms. Fusion is owned by Bob Serva, formally the owner of Dan Wesson before they were bought by CZ.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
With a $1,000 budget, simple: Colt 1991 Commander.915A said:
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Pistols/1991®Series.aspx
Model O4691 - Blued
If you shop, you can probably find the stainless version for under $1,000 - Model O4091U
What a collection of misinformation THIS is:
- The STI Spartan is made by Armscor. The other models are American-made.
- ParaUSA pistols are made in North Carolina.
- Smith & Wesson has a working relationship with Walther, but I'm pretty sure that they have not been "bought out by the Germans."
- Colt isn't going anywhere.
- Many 1911 aficionados would disagree that the Remington is a decent pistol.
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SW and Walther parted ways about a year ago. Walther has since made their own plant in AZ. SW was taking care of the US distribution of the German Walther line.
Let's not forget our presious US company Smith & Wesson used to be owned by the same foreign holding company that once owned Taurus at the same time .....
Let's not forget our presious US company Smith & Wesson used to be owned by the same foreign holding company that once owned Taurus at the same time .....