Walther to use *&* for P99s!!!

glock glockler

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I just spoke with a rep from Walther and he said that the .45 that they will be releasing will be manufactured by *&* in Springfield MA. I informed him that I would not buy anything connected with *&* until they publically repudiate their Clinton agreement, and will only buy a German made Walther.

I don't think they get it, perhaps we could let them know that Americans won't settle for an inferior quality handgun built by traitors, insult is added to injury when they try to do this with our country's trademark caliber.

Give em hell

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I'll take one! Here we go again, another "Armchair Commando" that HEARD S&W was bad. Waaa *&* WAAAA
All of my Smith's are perfect. I've NEVER got an INFERIOR product from them.
Their Auto pistols are a little funky, but they even work.
My P99 with S&W slide is going good 500rnds so far so good.
 
At least you didn't say all s&w are perfect, they perfected the disposable gun, the Sigma. If your so sure of the quality I'm surprised you didn't buy a sw99!!!:confused:
 
If Walther allows S&W to produce this Smalther .45, they had better change their logo and delete the bottom line where it says, "German Innovation Since 1886" and replace it with "Crap Since 2002" and this goes for anything else they allow S&W to make here. :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
Waaaaaa:p Do they use "Pot metal" or some thing? Are their CNC machines off a little to the left? WHAT makes 'em crap?
 
Waaaaaa...Do they use "Pot metal" or some thing? Are their CNC machines off a little to the left? WHAT makes 'em crap?
Actually YES they did use "pot" metal in the Sigma .380, it was a zinc alloy I believe, that had a very limited service life, S&W themselves said that the expected lifespan of the Sigma .380 was very limited. (I don't remember the exact round count, but it wasn't very high at all).
:D
I don't know how their CNC machines are tilted.......but S&W politics are definately tilted towards the left.
:D
As far as what makes S&W crap...... I have personally held a NIB Performance Center S&W auto that the trigger would not drop the hammer, no matter what you did. I have heard from a reliable source that a S&W PC revolver, would not turn the cylinder, this was a NIB unfired weapon. So IMHO, S&W lack of quality control is what makes them crap. When everything goes right, S&W makes some very nice weapons, but when things screw up, their non-existant QC doesn't keep crap from going out the door. What seperates the best from the rest, is not how many screw-ups they make, but how many they let make it out the door.
 
Product emanating from CNC machines are no better than the operator of said machines. In the case of SnW, seems to be a lot of marginal and some shoddy product making it out the doors.

Tis indeed a sad marriage. I have proudly used and sold Smith products, recommended them to others. No more.

I have also enjoyed the fruits of Walther's very generous shooter support program and major money contingency program. Shoot and win with Walther and make money. No more.

Homework... http://www.scopeny.org/sw.html

Sam, ex Smith dealer.
 
Yeah, Walther will learn the hard way. That is a knucklehead idea. I spoke to Earl at Earl's repair, and he mentioned that the new P99 subcompact is going to be a "S&W". Kinda like driving an AMC pacer with a BMW logo.
 
Really discouraging news. Just when you think they got some sense (a .45) they do something like that to screw it up.

It appears that my love affair with the Walthers is going to be short lived. Not because of the Clinton deal, but because I have seen the SW99. Not exactly something to look forward to.

Maybe the .45 is only going to be sold in America and they decided an American consumer is not worthy of German quality.
 
Don't like the P99, never will. Just kind of a weird gun in my hand, in my opinion. So I really don't care that *&* is making it...

The magnum wheelguns... that I care about...
 
The magnum wheelguns... that I care about...

Then take your posts over to the Revolver Forum. You obviously have nothing constructive to offer here in the way of P99 info. :rolleyes:

WHAT makes 'em crap?

The first thing that comes to mind is the aborted contract with the NJ State Police and the SW99's that they had to return (3,000+ guns). The SP's finally got SIG 228's that work.

Second is the fact that anothet State agency attempted to purchase 15 of the higher priced Tactical models (9mmx19) for a TAC team and S&W could not supply 15 guns out of 45 guns submitted that would function 100% reliably even with ball ammo. The S&W rep at the range was frustrated and they finally gave up. There were parts in the guns submitted that S&W admitted that were the incorrect parts for that model. That agency went with Glock 23's.

Another agency that was forced into buying S&W's as a payback to S&W for the deal they made, was unable to field guns that they could say would be reliable for their officers to carry and use when their lives depended upon them. That was close to 300 guns.

"That's what makes then crap" :p

There was a time that a LE agency would go to thier supplier/distributor and place and order for a specific model/caliber S&W semi-auto.
They guns would be delivered and the agency would schedule range dates, acquire ammo, targets, etc.
The members would go to the range, be assigned their new S&W handgun, classroom instruction if necessary, range work for familiarization, qualification, cleaning and off to duty w/o any major problems and those problems were normally "operator induced".

Been there, done that many times. :D

This is not the case with S&W semi-auto handguns today and that is why all type of shooters/consumers buy other brands.
 
I'm amazed by the indifference I see here. As a gun owner and an American, I cannot understand how other gun owners would not be angered by an unrepentant *&* to keep their operations going.

They sold out to Clinton and turned their backs on us, I want them to die or repent. Why don't you?
 
You see, they do get it. Their proceeding with plans that you complained about is simply telling you that if you don't like it, take your business elsewhere. Now, whether they will back down if there is a big scene over this is anybody's guess.
 
JMC :
Then take your posts over to the Revolver Forum. You obviously have nothing constructive to offer here in the way of P99 info
I believe he did have something to say; he doesn't care for the P-99. We have a thing known as freedom of speech in this country so, please, try and show some decorum and respect others. :mad:
By the way I don't care for the feel of the P-99 either and I like SMITH AND WESSON guns, all of mine are pre-agreement. :)
 
I thought Jerseys ARMORERS got ahold of a new gun they couldn't work. And tried to remove the de-cockers.

If they had originally gone with a SW99 pistol with traditional DA/SA I think they would have had far less problems and maybe they would be using the pistol today.

They were attempting to get a SW99 action that worked like a Glock.

Glock (G17) was actually the first choice but because of politics, they were told they had to retest the submitted pistols and S&W had to win the trials as a pay back for their (S&W) "deal" they struck.

That would have been the P990 but, S&W doesn't offer the P990 configuration or at least they couldn't supply it. Again, if they had chosen the Walther P990, it would have been what they were looking for.

One SP firearms instructor said that if they had gone with a true Walther, they would not have had any problems.

The problems began when they tried to make replacement top ends work with the existing guns after the original guns gave so many problems.

One Trooper told me that when he was on the line, it took for ever to run a string of fire due to the large number of malfunctions. One observer said that he thought they (Troopers) were going through a malfunction clearing drill at one point but come to find out, it was a standard drill with many malfunctions.

Another Trooper told me that he was one of the lucky ones because his pistol worked 100% at qualification but he didn't trust it due to the many problems with the others. He like most, wanted their P7M8's back.

glockorama

I believe he did have something to say; he doesn't care for the P-99.

Saying. "Don't like the P99, never will. Just kind of a weird gun in my hand, in my opinion" is just that, an opinion.
It isn't a comment based on any factual personal knowledge of the pistol and they way it functions, good or bad, or the quality or lack of put into the manufacture of the pistol.

I would be interested in knowing how many rounds a person like this has put through a P99 to form a negative opinion of the pistol. ;)

As far as S&W's ability to make a reliable semi-auto, not long ago I spoke with a member of my gun club who had purchase, at big bucks, a Performance Center .40S&W custom semi-auto.
I don't know the model but there can't be very many.

The gun malfunctioned about 75% of the time right out of the box and was sent back to S&W for "adjustment" on their recommendation.

When the gun came back, the owner went directly to the range to try it out. There was absolutely no change in performance with any type ammo and with two new magazines. :barf: His next course of action was to sell the gun at a loss.

I myself do not refrain from buying S&W semi-autos due to their "deal". I refrain due to their inability to produce a quality product for the amount they charge for it. ;)

As much as I would love to have a P99 plarform .45 ACP pistol, I will not buy a S&W Smalther. :barf:

In all due respect to S&W, they still produce some of the best revolvers on the market today.
 
JMC;
Saying. "Don't like the P99, never will. Just kind of a weird gun in my hand, in my opinion" is just that, an opinion.
OK, we'll all just keep are opinions to ourselves so we don't inconvenience you at all. Grow up.:mad:
 
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The sales figures and quality control will tell the final tale for this "walther" 45 by s&w.
From what I have seen as far as smith autos are concerned, the out-come does not look good.
I am not aware of a state agency issueing the sigma and staying with it. Is there an agency out there issueing the s&w 99?
 
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