Walther CCP Thoughts?

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jaughtman

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My days in the office entail slacks and a button down shirt, which don't help much with CC. I usually carry a BHP when I can carry full-size, and a small 380 when I put on the office duds. Been looking for something with a little more power to it to replace the 380 with and the CCP series from Walther have caught my eye - anyone own one, carry one, shoot one much?

J
 
My opinion in handling the two is that the PPS, either original or M2, is a slightly more size efficient design with a much more established track record than the CCP. There were a few threads here when the CCP came out of various issues that were encountered. You could probably look them up.


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Yikes.....

Couple of horror stories on there. I did not realize that Umarex made them. Going to have to take a longer look now.....

J
 
The Walther CCP and PPS M2 both shoot great. The CCP has a gas blowback fixed-barrel recoil system similar to the old HK P7's which were great shooters. The PPS M2 has the traditional Browning-style tilting barrel recoil system. I like the trigger on the PPS M2 better than the CCP. The CCP has a thumb safety which the PPS M2 doesn't have. The slide on the CCP is easier to rack, but it's takedown requires a separate takedown tool.

The CCP comes with 2 flush-mount 8 round magazines, while the PPS M2 comes with a flush-mount 6 round magazine and an extended 7 round magazine, and extended 8 round magazines are available.

I bought the the PPS M2 based on the better trigger, the magazine options, and the easier takedown. I like to carry this with the flush mount 6 round mag, and I like to shoot it with the 7rd. mag and the 2 8rd mags that I have. So far, I have 400 trouble free rounds through it.
 
Based on the article I read, the piston used on the ccp supposedly helps reduce felt recoil so that should help a quicker target acquisition.
 
The CCP is utter garbage. It's not made by Walther, it's made by their parent company, Umarex. Umarex is known for their Airsoft guns and their cheap .22 replicas.

I can't count how many customers I've seen come through our shop and our range with problem CCPs. Sometimes they lock up on reassembly and can't even be disassembled by our gunsmith, but usually it's just problems with excessive stoppages. Heck, the first CCP I saw was a demo brought by the shop by our Walther rep, and it had a faulty trigger. So on top of the already crappy trigger pull, it didn't even reset properly sometimes.
 
As others have mentioned, the CCP is made by Umarex in the Umarex factory in Arnsberg, Germany not by Walther (at their factory in Ulm). Be forewarned. There is a wide gap in quality between the two manufacturers.

The far superior Walther PPS makes the CCP irrelevant.

The CCP presumably only exists as a low production cost, high-profit product for Umarex to sell to uniformed buyers.
 
Try to rent the CCP and the PPS. The softcoil system does help the CCP feel like a heavier gun, with the trade off of takedown tool. I found the trigger is better actually shooting than dry firing. The PPS is slightly slimmer and the different mags give you options. The thumb safety on the CCP up to you whether that's a plus or a minus. Iny area the PPS is about $60 more than the CCP.


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My wife and I did not like our glock 43s as the grip iwa too short for both of us. my wife bought a shield in 9mm and I bought the walther ccp

I love how it shoots.The barrel is fixed. It is very accurate for such a small carry gun. mild recoil using 115gr fmj

The trigger is not special like a ppq. That is a mistake .Most shooters hate this trigger. I have zero issues with it

now---to the field strip. Watch the videos on youtube. It only takes 1/4" of reversing the slide to get the rear of the slide unlocked. this a big deal. Posters on forums act like it is horrible("you need 3 hands to field strip it") A couple of times practicing and it is a snap.use the supplied tool. pull back the slide with the tool already inserted (about 1/8" to lift the clip).done

easy to clean. The piston rod cleans out the path it travels in. no a lot of residue to deal with. I like my 2 tone because the stainless shows the dirt.
makes cleaning easy.

try one if you can.
 
Thanks all.....

I am going to try and rent one first, as suggested. I have not been totally scared off of them, but do want to look deeper before committing. Ruger LC9S and Walther PPS M2 are the other ones I am looking at.

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The CCP has a gas blowback fixed-barrel recoil system similar to the old HK P7's which were great shooters.
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You said it! I got one of the police trade-ins about 7 years ago when they hit the LGS over here - you could still get them for around 500. Sweet shooting gun - it resides in my nightstand (pick it up and it works). Just too dang heavy for CC, in my office attire.

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I shot a CCP once.

The trigger was long but smooth and not too heavy. It was accurate, and recoil was low for its size.

But it's reputation would steer me away...


If you just want a Walther, then the PPS m2 is a good choice.

If you are open to other options, the S&W Shield is very good, they have a safety free version. The Performance Center version has an improved trigger and porting that actually helps reduce recoil. The regular shield is good, but the trigger was a little heavy for my taste, so I did a little work.

The Glock 43 is a good little pistol too.

Of the three, the PPS is the highest quality, and has the best trigger. It is also the largest.

The 43 is the smallest of them, and has the lowest capacity out of the box. Decent trigger if you like the Glock design.

The shield is in between the two in size, but is closer to the PPS, it's capacity is 7 rounds with a flush fit mag. It is also the least expensive option, at $350 and under.


There are also other options out there. If the PPS m2 had been available when I got my shield, I would have got it instead.
 
I briefly handled a CCP but it didn't impress me enough to take the plunge into waters already muddied by negative reviews. As other posters have suggested, check out the PPS. It's very thin but handles surprisingly well with standard-pressure 9mm.

I don't know much about the M2 but the original had three different magazine sizes with different grip extension lengths. The full-sized magazine really optimized that shooting comfort and made it a nice compact plinker. (I know two people with smaller hands, one a woman, who both thought it was "just right" as an all-around gun with the full grip.) The flat-bottom magazine made it the smallest 9mm that I could still shoot effectively and let it hide very effectively IWB. I think a lot of people will just carry it with the medium but for those who like carrying a second magazine, it's very efficient to conceal it with the small and pack the large for reload.

The only reason I'd be inclined to choose the original PPS is that it has a paddle release (like the P99). It doesn't take long to adjust and once you do, you might find a lot to love about it. :)
 
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I don't know much about the M2 but the original had three different magazine sizes with different grip extension lengths.
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My M2 came with a flush mount 6rd. mag and an extended 7rd. mag and I've picked up 2 8rd. mags. I like carrying it with the 6 rounder and it shoots great with the other mags.
 
I second Kahr, had a cw9, made the mistake if letting my wife check out the light stipple work and it moved from my holster to hers... grabbed an older E9 and they are absolutely flawless. have about 8 mags so the wife and I can throw each other mags if in a sticky situation. again, love them.
 
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