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I would rather take my chances with "discharging a firearm within city limits" than "getting mauled by an animal".
Walking the dog, and stray dog/coyote attack
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I got a couple black belts eons ago. I've got a metal extending sap, and, I'm thinking about getting not only pepper spray, but bear spray. Bear spray gives you a long distance, relatively, effective sort of shotgun chance of hitting your problem. If he gets through that, a 20" steel heavy si would certainly give him an attitude adjustment. In Kali, a gun would be the LAST thing I'd have out...
A sap is an antiquated term, but is generally used to refer to portable slapping devices. Typically, a sap is made from stitched leather, and is flexible, with a handle on one end and a lead shot filled cavity at the other. You can cause quite a bit of damage to another human being if you hit him with the full force of a swung sap.
See also: blackjack, slapper.
Slapper:
Blackjack:
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You're very welcome!
My old man still has my great grandfather's blackjack. it doesn't look quite like the one in the picture above (the shot pocket is at an angle to the shaft of the handle), but it would probably still knock someone silly if they were unfortunate enough to get smacked behind the ear with it!
My old man still has my great grandfather's blackjack. it doesn't look quite like the one in the picture above (the shot pocket is at an angle to the shaft of the handle), but it would probably still knock someone silly if they were unfortunate enough to get smacked behind the ear with it!
I wonder if folks know just how fast an aggressive dog can act. If the dog has already decided to attack you, or your pet, I doubt you will have much time to think about it, or react.
Take a look at this police video.
http://i35.tinypic.com/2nr08ck.gif
Take a look at this police video.
http://i35.tinypic.com/2nr08ck.gif
Think jogging weight, but, with one prong bent back, one forward, and the center knife a spring loaded, steel bar.
http://www.udap.com/video/Bear Attack.wmv
After watching this, it doesn't look like the bear is really attacking, just a tame bear, having a little jog, and swat the trainer.
http://www.udap.com/video/bearsprayed.wmv
This is a pretty good sized black bear...
http://www.udap.com/video/marksbearattackvideo.wmv
Point in posting these is I agree, that pepper spray has to be handy, and, you have to be able to get to it, nearly instantly, same as being attacked by a bear, having a gun, etc.
https://store.udap.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=P&Product_Code=3P&Category_Code=PS
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In some of our local parks, coyotes were 'baiting' off-leash dogs. A single coyote would approach and attempt to draw the dog to follow it. If the dog did follow, there was a pack of coyotes around it in an instant - and the dog became lunch.
It's rare for a coyote to attack when the dog is near humans, but they are Wiley coyotes.
Also, many outdoor cats in the neighborhood have vanished, probably due to coyotes.
Ron
It's rare for a coyote to attack when the dog is near humans, but they are Wiley coyotes.
Also, many outdoor cats in the neighborhood have vanished, probably due to coyotes.
Ron
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Yep. I'm very well aware. This is one of several reasons I advocate the working strain Pit Bulldog, American Bulldog, Airedale, Catahoula, Ridgeback breeds... ASSUMING one knows what the Hades these breeds are/for and what they (the owner) is doing.
To me a dog is a pet and a member of the family. However, he is also the FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE and is expendable under certain circumstances. Combating wildlife is one in which I demand that the dog IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF INTERCEPTING HARD! If one's breed of choice is not then stay out of the woods and nowadays out of the suburbs.
Why do people forget Great Pyrenees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyrenees
Sheep dogs who defend against bears...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EdNHI5inDM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyrenees
Sheep dogs who defend against bears...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EdNHI5inDM
Have defended my shetland sheepdog on two separate occasions while CCW.
Fended off two boxers (local pets). One was agressive the other was not. The agressive one made repeated lunges at my dog with snapping jaws as it passed while I kept myself between him and the shelty. He was after my dog and I was able to discourage him with kicks until a neighbor who knew the dogs got them under control.
A neighborhood Akita (120+ lbs) and it's sidekick (little dog) charged us from the woodline. I again put myself between it and my dog. I was suprised at my own reaction on this one...by how calm I was. I controlled my dog with leash and voice commands, drew my .45, clicked the thumb safety and took aim. We calmly stood our ground. The ball was in the Akita's court. It assessed the situation, relaxed it's agressive posture, decided to circle us and then went home. Good dog, smart dog.
I would defend my animal with leathal force (or I better not go home). Size (of the dog) does matter. I would likely be charged with discharging a firearm within 500' of an occupied dwelling.
Hope this never happens.
I have no use for sprays or sticks.
Fended off two boxers (local pets). One was agressive the other was not. The agressive one made repeated lunges at my dog with snapping jaws as it passed while I kept myself between him and the shelty. He was after my dog and I was able to discourage him with kicks until a neighbor who knew the dogs got them under control.
A neighborhood Akita (120+ lbs) and it's sidekick (little dog) charged us from the woodline. I again put myself between it and my dog. I was suprised at my own reaction on this one...by how calm I was. I controlled my dog with leash and voice commands, drew my .45, clicked the thumb safety and took aim. We calmly stood our ground. The ball was in the Akita's court. It assessed the situation, relaxed it's agressive posture, decided to circle us and then went home. Good dog, smart dog.
I would defend my animal with leathal force (or I better not go home). Size (of the dog) does matter. I would likely be charged with discharging a firearm within 500' of an occupied dwelling.
Hope this never happens.
I have no use for sprays or sticks.
I'd like to make a point although someone may have already covered it....
Cops will not hesitate to shoot a threatening dog and are never questioned nor reprimanded. This IMO sets a precedent. Civilly speaking - Dogs are property. No one will cut me any sympathy if they do harm to my dog (maybe after court they'd pay for vet bills at best), and turnabout is fair play - their dog is simple property just the same. Of course my dog is much more than property to me. My dog is small and she is not about to take on any large threats, therefore if I have to terminate said threat to save my girl, its an easy decision - dog or coyote will face the same end. This is extreme of course and I love all animals so I would do anything I could to avoid a bad situation but we are talking extremes.
Cops will not hesitate to shoot a threatening dog and are never questioned nor reprimanded. This IMO sets a precedent. Civilly speaking - Dogs are property. No one will cut me any sympathy if they do harm to my dog (maybe after court they'd pay for vet bills at best), and turnabout is fair play - their dog is simple property just the same. Of course my dog is much more than property to me. My dog is small and she is not about to take on any large threats, therefore if I have to terminate said threat to save my girl, its an easy decision - dog or coyote will face the same end. This is extreme of course and I love all animals so I would do anything I could to avoid a bad situation but we are talking extremes.
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I have whippets (minature greyhounds, - http://stripduke.web-log.nl/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/16/twinkle2.jpg ------ and NO that's not me or my dog.) And they are the last thing from a dog with ANY fighting capability... It'll maul a rabbit like there is no tomorrow but anything else and it's doomed for sure. Here in spokane we have a HUGE problem with Pitbulls and the people that train them to fight and cant take care of the puppies.... At any given day you can pull up on "division street" and there will be someone selling them out of the back of a van or bronco.... I personally think they are stupid and worthless animals that should be shot on site unless they have owners that teach and control them (I.E. Leashes at all times, and high fences) But here in Spokanistan, they more or less run free. My mom was attacked once on the way to work (on foot) and so was my girlfriend (walking to school). So you Pit owners will have to excuse my negative bias. But i constantly see them roaming free and now i don't even walk my dogs because the way i see it, i'm going to run into one, it's a "when" issue not an "if" issue. And my dogs don't stand a chance, now i could let them go and i know they could outrun one. But i don't know if they're smart enough to run, and even if they were, there's always traffic and each of them cost about a grand so.... Also, Spokane is very "tree huggish" and i'm fairly certain that if i was forced to defend against a free roaming Pit, The media would portray it as a slaying of an innocent puppy by a crazy gun toting nut looking to fire off a few rounds... So now i just avoid it all at the cost of my own dogs health and happiness... I wish it weren't this way but people are NOT ok with guns in washington... My shirt came up and accidentally exposed my gun at walmart once when i tripped and everyone lost their minds!!! i was actually detained because someone told a clerk i was robbing the F*****G place.... so that's why i won't shoot a stray. I've been told that i've just been unlucky and that washington is really quite acceptant to firearms but i havent seen it...
I have whippets (minature greyhounds, - http://stripduke.web-log.nl/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/16/twinkle2.jpg ------ and NO that's not me or my dog.) And they are the last thing from a dog with ANY fighting capability... It'll maul a rabbit like there is no tomorrow but anything else and it's doomed for sure. Here in spokane we have a HUGE problem with Pitbulls and the people that train them to fight and cant take care of the puppies.... At any given day you can pull up on "division street" and there will be someone selling them out of the back of a van or bronco.... I personally think they are stupid and worthless animals that should be shot on site unless they have owners that teach and control them (I.E. Leashes at all times, and high fences) But here in Spokanistan, they more or less run free. My mom was attacked once on the way to work (on foot) and so was my girlfriend (walking to school). So you Pit owners will have to excuse my negative bias. But i constantly see them roaming free and now i don't even walk my dogs because the way i see it, i'm going to run into one, it's a "when" issue not an "if" issue. And my dogs don't stand a chance, now i could let them go and i know they could outrun one. But i don't know if they're smart enough to run, and even if they were, there's always traffic and each of them cost about a grand so.... Also, Spokane is very "tree huggish" and i'm fairly certain that if i was forced to defend against a free roaming Pit, The media would portray it as a slaying of an innocent puppy by a crazy gun toting nut looking to fire off a few rounds... So now i just avoid it all at the cost of my own dogs health and happiness... I wish it weren't this way but people are NOT ok with guns in washington... My shirt came up and accidentally exposed my gun at walmart once when i tripped and everyone lost their minds!!! i was actually detained because someone told a clerk i was robbing the F*****G place.... so that's why i won't shoot a stray. I've been told that i've just been unlucky and that washington is really quite acceptant to firearms but i havent seen it...
An attack by coyotes on a woman walking her dog was reported in the Denver papers yesterday.
She saw what looked like two dogs coming over to play with her yellow lab in a Broomfield (a bedroom suburb north of Denver) park. One of them attacked her and bit her arm. Her 75 lb lab attacked one of the coyotes and drove them both off. Fortunately, the teeth didn't go through her thick coat and she suffered only bruises.
These urban/suburban/ex-urban coyotes are losing or have lost their fear of humans, making them much more dangerous.
My wife won't carry a gun but does carry high potency pepper spray while walking our Greyhound and Golden Retriever mix. Greyhounds were bred in some places to chase down coyotes and similar pests, but the current racing Greyhound has likely lost that inclination or capability.
I carry a Ruger SP101 stoked with 38 spl +p or a 1911 Commander when walking the dogs or hiking in the mountains with my family. Regardless of legal consequences, I will have no problem with shooting any animal that attacks. That is not to sound macho, but just a natural reaction to protect my family.
Ron
She saw what looked like two dogs coming over to play with her yellow lab in a Broomfield (a bedroom suburb north of Denver) park. One of them attacked her and bit her arm. Her 75 lb lab attacked one of the coyotes and drove them both off. Fortunately, the teeth didn't go through her thick coat and she suffered only bruises.
These urban/suburban/ex-urban coyotes are losing or have lost their fear of humans, making them much more dangerous.
My wife won't carry a gun but does carry high potency pepper spray while walking our Greyhound and Golden Retriever mix. Greyhounds were bred in some places to chase down coyotes and similar pests, but the current racing Greyhound has likely lost that inclination or capability.
I carry a Ruger SP101 stoked with 38 spl +p or a 1911 Commander when walking the dogs or hiking in the mountains with my family. Regardless of legal consequences, I will have no problem with shooting any animal that attacks. That is not to sound macho, but just a natural reaction to protect my family.
Ron
Last week I was out walking my aussie shepherd, she is all about play and doesnt have a mean bone in her body. Two people on horseback were out with there Weimaraners (LOOSE) no leash at all, damn hounds were just running loose.
Now I have no problem with this, but damnit your dog better be trained and stay next to you and not just running loose and not listening to anything the owner tells it.
Here comes this dog running right at me, the owners yell one time to there dog to come back and then just flat out take off on there horses
. The dog approaches fast and comes right at my dog, mouth open, I kicked that SOB as hard as I could in the chest (Danner FT Lewis boots). I then reached for my Strider DB and was ready to jam it in its head if it made another try at attacking my dog, lucky for that dog, it left after I had kicked it, Now when out for a short hike with my dog, I carry my Lamey 10 inch Bowie
Living in Cali and carrying a gun is a big no no
, so I am limited to knives and walking sticks.
I will not hesitate if givin the chance, to kill any damn animal that is attacking my dog, my dog is part of my family (I like dogs more then most people lol)
Now I have no problem with this, but damnit your dog better be trained and stay next to you and not just running loose and not listening to anything the owner tells it.
Here comes this dog running right at me, the owners yell one time to there dog to come back and then just flat out take off on there horses
. The dog approaches fast and comes right at my dog, mouth open, I kicked that SOB as hard as I could in the chest (Danner FT Lewis boots). I then reached for my Strider DB and was ready to jam it in its head if it made another try at attacking my dog, lucky for that dog, it left after I had kicked it, Now when out for a short hike with my dog, I carry my Lamey 10 inch BowieLiving in Cali and carrying a gun is a big no no
, so I am limited to knives and walking sticks. I will not hesitate if givin the chance, to kill any damn animal that is attacking my dog, my dog is part of my family (I like dogs more then most people lol)