Wal-Mart and the devil.

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DAL

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While buying a brick of .22 ammo this morning at Wal-Mart, the register at the gun counter had the question appear "handgun?" The woman asked me if the ammo was to be used in a handgun or not. I said no, and I asked her why it was necessary to know this. She said it was something the government was keeping track of.

Now why in the world would the government need to know that? It seems mighty damn suspicious to me.

I'm telling you folks, stock up on ammunition and supplies for your guns now, while you still can do so without jumping through some kind of pre-approval hoop for all things firearms related. If you don't believe that's coming, then you are an incurable optomist beyond all reason.
DAL

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This is because you have to be 21 to buy ammo for a pistol. Whenever I buy ammo I say "yeah sure, it's for my rifle." When god knows it's going in my pistol. But I don't mind lying, because they opbviously don't mind trampleing all over my rights as an american. I'm 18, I should be able to own any darn gun I want. I'm out hunting with the bullets, not shooting people. The other day I went to buy ammo for my .375 H&H. The thing flashed "under 21???" and he said he needed to see ID, so I showed him, then he said "sorry you're not old enough, you have to be 21." I said "technically, that's only for handguns, this is where you ask, if it's for a handgun, then I say "no" because It's for a rifle, and 18 is old enough to buy a rifle/ammo." He said, "nope I don't want to loose my job. Sorry, you're going to have to go somewhere else to get ammo." Then I said. "call a f*ckin' manager, cuz I ain't leavin' till I get my f*ckin' bullets." Ooooh yeah, that got him. Not only did a manager come, but a couple other big guys from other departments. a little while later, I had my bullets and was on my way. Usually I'm not such an @ss, but it was about 11 at night, and I needed some extra bullets to go hunting with in the morning. and like they always say..."The customer's always right :D"
 
That's been around for a while. Handgun ammo requires ID and age check. Not just WallyWorld.

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I'm not sure that this was part of the 1968 GCA but do know that it has been around for over 25 years. In other words it is nothing new to worry about. Just old anti-constitutional law.

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I'd always get a giggle when some young-looking individual would run in for ammo during the deer season rush at our gun store/pawn shop and ask for .300 WinMag or 7mm Remington Magnum and the girl from jewelry ringing him up would consult her little checklist and solemnly ask: "Now, this isn't for a pistol, is it?" :D

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[This message has been edited by Tamara (edited November 09, 2000).]
 
Actually part of the FOPA '86. Until then FFL's had to keep track of ammo sales as well as firearm sales. When the restrictions were loosened the part still remained that ammunition that could be sold to a person under 21 if the ammo could be used in a handgun. That was modified to allow sales to 18-20 year olds if the ammo was intended for use in a rifle. This was in reponse to the number of rifle caliber handguns that were beginning to be seen on the market. Basically if you answered 'yes' the screen would pop up 'over 21?' if you answer 'no' it should come up with 'over 18?'
 
Actually, (and I know you agree, Jeff) it should come up with a price - including the taxation without representation sales tax - and let the paying customer exercise his God given (or Natural) Right to Keep and Bear arms. This rather obviously includes buying ammunition! :mad:

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited November 10, 2000).]
 
One thing that I love is the fact that most "evil" handgun ammo is the fact that they have made a rifle chambered for it. Except for a few (lower calibers), most can be used in rifles.. 9mm (most popular), 44 spec/mag, 38/357 (I love the lever action rifles), 45, 45LC, 22, etc. I'm sure that someone has made a 380 or 32/25 rifle some place or the other. But heck, that "feel good" is no longer an issue.

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*Hello, I'm your neighbor, can you spare a few mags of SKS ammo? Thank you. LOCK AND LOAD ALL, THE WORLD IS GETTING INTERESTING!
 
"Ummm...no, actually, I like to stick them in knotholes in trees and hit em with a hammer..waitaminit! These are for guns?!?!?!
 
The register at Wally World really makes noise if you have a brick of .22's, a 6 pack of Bud and a can of spray paint (local ordinance, 21 to purchase). The clerks agree it's silly to ask for an ID when it obvious the customer is well past 21 but if they don't they can get a butt chewing at least, lose their jobs at the extreme.

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When I opened my eyes
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A couple of friends and I once talked a Wal-Mart guy into selling use a brick of .22LR. Funny thing is we were 19 and also buying a box of .410, 100 rounds of 12 gauge, and 2 more boxes of 7.62x39. All it took was, "Nah, that .22 is for a rifle... .22 'long rifle,' get it?" The clerk agreed and happily sold it to us!
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Pretty clever, Kevlarman. I'll have to try that one in the future.

Thanks for all of the responses. Now I understand why it's done, although I don't agree one bit with it. I still say stock up on gun supplies, if for no other reason than you still can with relative freedom.
DAL

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Reading "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal," by Ayn Rand, should be required of every politician and in every high school.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined."
--Patrick Henry, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788)

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Kevlarman, instead of .22 short pistols!!!!!!
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Here is an account of a transaction in wally world. A fiend and co-worker went into the local walmart last fall to buy a remington 1100 20 gauge shotgun. He passed the NICS check --no problem, so after filling out the 4473, they handed him the shotgun. He then selected some ammo to go with it and it was at this time that they not only refused to sell him any ammo but ESCORTED him out of the store! He was told that after he brought the gun home he could come back and buy all the ammo he wanted. He is a quiet type and took all this degradation and humiliation and embarassment and did as he was told. I get hot just thinking about it. The most amazing part of this is quite a few people (mostly gunowners) actually are not upset with this policy. Sorry, but I would feel abused when someone insinuated that I cannot be trusted with a gun and ammo together. There is no way I would even consider buying a gun from walmart under these conditions. Thanks, willp58
 
I was at Wal-Mart once and asked for a box of CCI MiniMags. The older man behind the counter pushed "yes" when the computer asked if I was 21 or older. I'm 15...
When my friend bought a shotgun there they let him buy a couple of boxes of shells for it but they still escorted him out of the store.
 
Wallyworld in Atlanta area won't sell ammunition after 11pm at night. Damnit.

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Wow, am I the only one old enough to remember when you actually had to sign the book every time you bought handgun ammo, even .22? ( in the 70's)
Then they "relaxed" and removed .22 from that, and then later dropped the whole requirement.
 
First a little confession, I am working at a Wally world on third shift. Believe me I can't wait till I can leave that job!

But a couple of points. Most of the people that work at Wally world don't know anything about guns or ammo.

The company has a policy [or so the managers have told me] that anything that is in a locked case [guns, ammo, CD's, play stations, etc] should be walked out of the store mainly as a shoplifting precaution.

Also, EMPLOYEES are supposed to be unarmed...company policy again. So I can kind of understand them refusing to let someone have gun & ammo at the same time. Kinda stacks the deck all on one side.

We just went thru the start of deer season here at the store I work at. And since I am working 3rd shift I have got a lot of people that come in to pick up deer lic. or ammo or whatever after the bars close at 1 a.m. and that you can tell had more than "two beers" before coming to buy some ammo.

Anyway I am just wondering how gun shop owners and employees would handle things at their gunshops if they couldn't be legally armed?


[This message has been edited by Glamdring (edited November 12, 2000).]
 
Nukem says, "Wow, am I the only one old enough to remember when you actually had to sign the book every time you bought handgun ammo, even .22? ( in the 70's)"

Wow, am I the only one old enough to remember when anyone could buy a gun and ammo without permission from (or documentation by) our government? When guns and ammo were sold through the mail? When grocery stores sold rimfire, centerfire (pistol and rifle), and shotgun ammo? When Western Auto *was* our gun store? (in the 60s.)

Okay, okay, yes, also in the 50s and 40s. Now if you want to go back farther than that, you'll have to ask Art Eatman. ;)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glamdring:
Anyway I am just wondering how gun shop owners and employees would handle things at their gunshops if they couldn't be legally armed?[/quote]

Illegal or Against Company Policy? I can't answer that for you, but I can relate a tale. Once upon a time, I was the assistant manager of a convenience store. Being a night owl, I volunteered for third shift, since it was hard to find a trustworthy employee willing to work the long, dull nights. The store was at the intersection of four county police patrol zones, so I quickly got to know a lot of my local LEO's. (one of them quite well ;) ) One night one of my police officer friends was hanging out for his coffee break and asked me point-blank: "Do you have a gun behind the counter?"
"Why no," was my poker-faced reply "it's against company policy."
He badgered me a little until I admitted that there was a distinct possibility that I may or may not have a *&* Model 13 under the counter.

I will never forget his response: "Good. I'd rather see you alive and unemployed than a dead good employee. They'll shoot cashiers for fun these days. If someone holds you up with a weapon, you plug 'em with that .357 and keep plugging them till they go down. This place may fire you for it, but I can guarantee that there'll be a hundred pragmatic independant convenience store owners around this town that'd hire you the next day."


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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!

[This message has been edited by Tamara (edited November 12, 2000).]
 
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