Waitaminnit! What the heck did these kids do?

I know this may come as a shock to some of you that I'm saying this, but this is just some overzealous guys on a "special task force" who are trying to make the numbers for their unit. Cordoning a block b/c they were not permitted onto the property. Wow, all I can say.
For those that do not know this area, this is a very upper class county, with 5 of the top 100 public schools in the nation just in this county alone. The school they mentioned is one of them (I think top 5). I'm surprised the people of that county allow this to happen. Many of the residents of this area are Capitol Hill folks.
 
The "us" versus "them" attitude can go BOTH ways.

If things went down exactly as described in this article (we always need to be skeptical when fed from only one spoon), then it seems the cops involved felt PERSONALLY chided and defeated, else why abandon their claimed purpose of underage drinking to dole out allegedly trivial parking tickets?

These cops should have been elated at not finding any drunk kids that night at this party, not pissed off at having the breathalyzers refused. They should have been putting free ice cream cone coupons under the windshield wipers instead of parking tickets.
 
Breacher-
What do you think is the chance that the "KiddieCop" Squad may be a sort of "punishment" assignment; eg: directing traffic?

If likely, then we can expect that these were not the best and brightest the County has to offer.
Rich
 
"My family had a picnic a couple weekends ago. My 21 month old daughter was taking sips from a red plastic cup."

Oh come on, Chris, there's a BIG difference.

Abby's a hard-core boozehound. I've seen her fermenting a sippy of juice under the sofa... :eek: :D
 
Abby's a hard-core boozehound
Given that she likes to hide her sippy cup from time to time, I wouldn't be surprised if fermentation was the goal. :eek:

Some of those forgotten milk cups can be pretty "fermented" by morning. :barf:

Chris
 
Rich, always a possibility. I'll have to ask a teamate of mine about this. He was a former Mont. Co. PD. I just read the job description of the Alcohol Enforcement Section (as posted in the article). Doesn't seem like it would attract the happiest of campers.
 
the mom should have offered the cops some donuts and everything would have been cool.


most cops are good guys and do a good job, but theres also some who became cops just so they could do things just like this, abuse the authority and try to act like they are somebody.
 
Ugh. I can see how this could have gone in a couple of different directions. I've been on all four sides.


1. When I was a senior in high school, my best friend's family had a HUGE house on 15 acres. When his folks would leave for the weekend, they'd take his siblings and leave us $20 or so "for pizza and videos." I would stay over, and we'd use his house and acreage to... eat pizza and watch videos at night, and shoot clay pigeons during the day. Sometimes, when we got real wild, we'd make it an "R" movie. Maybe even ice cream. Lord, we were some straight-laced kids. :) But our friends were, too.

2. Then I was a freshman in college, less than a year later, and went to parties where 90% of the attendance was under 20, and 95% of the people were unfit to drive. I did a lot of designated driving, when it wasn't my turn to drink (my roommate and I had a deal worked out.)

3. As a police officer, I've been called to some extremely raucous parties, where the homeowner would enable their kids to get drunk and have all their friends over to get drunk, too. Sometimes they would just kid themselves and turn a blind eye. Sometimes, though, the parents were buying kegs for their 17 and 18 year old kids and their friends... and making no provision to assure that the kids didn't drive home drunk. The saddest cases of this were when drugs (legal and illegal) were mixed recreationally with the booze, right under the parents' noses. When we would approach the homeowners about the parties, we were abruptly turned away at the gates.

I remember one occasion where one of our officers actually got into what he thought was a pursuit with car that failed to yield at high speed. It finally pulled into the driveway of the homeowner, who was racing home his inebriated, extremely sick, somewhat overdosed 16 year old little girl from her friend's party. We (I had come to assist) followed inside (the girl literally couldn't walk-- she was dragged inside.) the house, and seeing the sick girl, called an ambulance. Friends, if that were MY little girl, I'd have had her to the hospital so fast you wouldn't believe it, to get her stomach pumped. The parent in this case insisted that the ambulance leave, and wanted everyone to go home, because he didn't want any public embarrassment. He said he'd watch her, and take her to the doctor the next day. :rolleyes: He didn't even know what kind of drugs she'd ingested with her beer! (She didn't remember at the time what they were called.) Luckily, she didn't die from the dose of qualudes and alcohol, but Lord knows what damage it did her. We were stunned. Not only had the parents at her friends' house facilitated such a situation, but the victim's parents did, too!

We were regularly being portrayed as gestapo type cops for trying to stop underage drinking and impaired driving. The funny thing was, all of us had many times poured out the beer with a warning, tossed out the weed on the pavement with a stern finger-wagging, and handed over liquor to parents with a quick discussion. We were NOT of the "zero tolerance" brigade-- we just wanted kids safe. And don't forget that lots of kids die from drinking who never drive. Alcohol toxicity is very dangerous in youngsters who are inexperienced and have fast metabolisms. Talk to the deans at any major university, especially if they have Greeks. :(

As for driving, that month I assisted on a head-on collision in which there were three fatalities in two cars, both of which were driven by drunken teenagers (one of whom had elevated THC levels). "Tragedy" does not BEGIN to describe how that community felt. :(

4. Then I've found myself, jaded from the above experiences (2 and 3), rolling up to a party of teenagers. They look scared-- must be dope and beer here, right? So I howdy with 'em, and a parent comes out and asks what I'm doing. Must be one of the enabling parents who assist in their kids' downfall, right? And I explain reasonably that I'm just talking, that I've seen nothing wrong, and I don't have a problem with anything going on here (all true, though I have a gut feeling), and ask if they'd mind me looking around. Believe me, if they said I had to go, I'd get in the car and leave immediately. When someone consents, I walk around, and find a huge tub filled with... Dr. Pepper. Then there's the cooler filled with... ice, soft drinks, and meat for the barbecue. Then there's the big refrigerator filled with... ice cream in the top half, iced tea in the bottom. The kids are clean-scrubbed. The crew that was back in the woods when I drove up come wandering back, and they're all sober. They were watching the stars away from the porch and street lights. (Oh, I've no doubt there was a little smootching and cuddling, but that's sure not my concern.)

In other words, my gut reaction was FLAT WRONG. I've crashed the party of some kids that were a lot like I was (see #1.), but I figured everyone had devolved. So I accept a hot dog and a cup of tea, and chat. I even own up to my incorrect assumptions. The patriarch smiles and says, "Yeah, that's why I invited you into the back yard instead of sending you off like I had first thought to do. I needed to show you that kids still have fun without going too wild." Good lesson for Officer Long Path to take to heart. Glad I didn't blow it.



Realize that you're pretty much getting the parents' side of this story listed. I don't agree with the cordoning off of a block unless you can show that the party was an immediate hazard (blocking the street, drunks staggering and driving about, etc.).
 
Realize that you're pretty much getting the parents' side of this story listed. I don't agree with the coroning off of a block unless you can show that the party was an immediate hazard (blocking the street, drunks staggering and driving about, etc.).

Matt,

I don't think you'll find too many people objecting to the underage drinking enforcement. What I find objectionable in this case is the clearly and blatantly punitive writing of "by the book" traffic tickets when the officers did not find any drunk kids. They wrote those tickets to teach the parents a lesson ("how dare they insist on their rights and not cooperate?"), and to at least get something out of the call.
 
Long Path, you are aptly named! :) That was one looooong post. I did read it, though. I cut my fingernails before I read it, and now I need to go cut them again.
Good, insightful post.
 
And the police force will probably be complaining when nobody votes for thier pay raise next year.

Why can't some officers see that this kind of petty BS just reflects badly on them all? How many opinions of the police in general were formed that night? How many opinions of the police were altered when the story broke? How many opinions were changed when the story started around the internet?

If they had probable cause, couldn't they just get a search warrant instead of being pissy children? But there was no probable cause was there....... Back to square one.......
 
Having no beef with cops I have given this serious consideration . This is one of the benefits of aiming my Freightliner down the highway for mile after mile .Lots of time . The cop in charge is dust . Go away ! No Certification to fall back on . History . Remaining officers get a letter of reprimand in their file . The tickets dismissed in the interest of justice .
 
I don't think you'll find too many people objecting to the underage drinking enforcement. What I find objectionable in this case is the clearly and blatantly punitive writing of "by the book" traffic tickets when the officers did not find any drunk kids. They wrote those tickets to teach the parents a lesson ("how dare they insist on their rights and not cooperate?"), and to at least get something out of the call.

that would be called the "child state" in a situation. When you go to this "child state" in my experience you usually come out on the short end of the stick.

I dont know what kind of attitude the officer approached the lady with......

from reading the article it seems that officer approached her on the basis of a noise violation. However, from further reading it seems that the suspicion of alcohol was the basis all along. Since when do you need multiple officers and cars for a noise violation?

I am assuming since it was a big party most of the neighbors were invited especially if they had kids so was there ever really a noise complaint?

The lady told him NO....

I betcha the Dept SOP doesnt say anything about writing traffic tickets to get even. It probably said that if reasonable suspicion/reliable witness existed to go obtain a warrant... to which a judge unless there was a reliable witness to the use of alcohol would have said no, then lectured you about disturbing him for nothing. Obviously adult leadership was not present that night.....Most of the time if you follow the SOP you are going to come out on the good side. When you dont follow the SOP or disobey an order form a superior and things go wrong....you usually end up on the oh crap side.

In which case the police should have placed some cars at discreet distances to observe the drivers leaving the party and called it a night. The Chief of Police doesnt read about this in the morning paper and some police officers would have not had sizeable chunks of their buttocks verbally removed or worse. The citizens live happy ever after.......
 
Thanks DZ:
Haven't seen this type of Damage Control since Watergate
"What we do is not to pick on people," he said.
It's for the children.

"Honestly, the party would have been [ruined] if the police had come in and started testing people," Phelan said.
She was obviously hiding SOMETHING.

When they are denied entry to a home, it is common practice to set up roadblocks near the house
Do they do this every time they're refused a voluntary sniff and search in a private living room?

But she was upset that, after everyone passed the Breathalyzer tests, the police returned to her home. They asked to see her driver's license, Phelan said, and when she refused, they ticketed nearly a dozen cars parked near her home.
Just "doing your job", guys? I don't think so.

"All citations are legal citations," he said. "[The officers] did not make any of them up." Police officials are investigating whether officers did anything inappropriate by issuing the tickets, according to Burnett.
So you mean that none of those tickets need be recognized until you determine whether they were appropriate?

"I know they have a job to do, and I know it's a tough job," Phelan said. "But I don't know how they expect to engage the help of a community by treating people like that."
My good friends in Blue.....THIS is America speaking. Listen.
Rich
 
Modern cops don't know their place in society.

Contrary to their own beliefs they are equal to us, and not our care takers. These guys obviously feel superior.
 
Come on people. We're talking Montgomery County MD, home of Chief Moose. I am surprised at nothing coming out of the county.
 
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