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Police Ticket Cars In Lieu of Teens
Liquor Fears at Md. Party Unfounded

By Nancy Trejos and Daniel de Vise
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; B04



Anna Phelan and Emily Adams wanted to end their four years at Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School with a memorable backyard graduation party.

There was a blues band, a moon bounce, a popcorn machine and a pit for making s'mores. Guests feasted on hot dogs, hamburgers and bratwurst. There was plenty of ginger ale, cranberry juice and root beer to go around. What there wasn't plenty of was alcohol.

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Police Ticket Cars In Lieu of Teens
Liquor Fears at Md. Party Unfounded

By Nancy Trejos and Daniel de Vise
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; Page B04

Anna Phelan and Emily Adams wanted to end their four years at Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School with a memorable backyard graduation party.

There was a blues band, a moon bounce, a popcorn machine and a pit for making s'mores. Guests feasted on hot dogs, hamburgers and bratwurst. There was plenty of ginger ale, cranberry juice and root beer to go around. What there wasn't plenty of was alcohol.

"It was pretty low-key, and it was just sweet," Margaret Engel Adams, Emily's mother, said of the party for about 80 friends and relatives. "It was just pretty much out of Norman Rockwell."

All that changed about 9:30 p.m. Thursday, Adams said, when a Montgomery County police officer knocked on the Phelans' door, in the 4600 block of Rosedale Avenue in Bethesda, to say that someone had complained about the noise. The officer then asked Anna's mother, Kathy Phelan, if he and several other officers could give breath tests to the teenagers. She refused.

So police stationed patrol cars at each end of her street, six in all, and began giving the tests to guests as they left the party, she said. None of the teenagers tested positive for alcohol, she said.

Officers then began ticketing vehicles parked outside the Phelans' house, she said, including ones that belonged to neighbors who weren't at her party. Some vehicles were ticketed for a wheel improperly touching a curb or for extending into a driveway. Emily Adams, 18, received a $35 parking ticket; her Honda Odyssey minivan was parked directly in front of the Phelans' home.

"It almost seemed like they were angry that they didn't find anything," Kathy Phelan said.

The officers were part of an Alcohol Enforcement Section that combs the county around holidays and during prom season to guard against underage drinking. The eight-officer unit checks bars and restaurants and responds to citizen complaints when house parties appear to involve underage drinking.

"When they get calls that there may be underage drinking, their response is to investigate it," said Lt. Eric Burnett, a police spokesman. "We're trying to prevent teen deaths."

Margaret Adams and Kathy Phelan have written a letter to Montgomery Police Chief J. Thomas Manger and several other county officials. They are seeking disciplinary action against the officers and apologies to their daughters, best friends since middle school who graduated from Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School on Wednesday.

Burnett said that it was too early to discuss the allegations of the party hosts but that the incident was under investigation and that any proven misconduct would result in disciplinary action.

He said it is standard procedure for alcohol enforcement officers to cordon off a block if they are denied access to a property where they suspect underage drinking is happening. He added that the parking infractions described in the letter "are tickets that you can actually receive. We can't just make this stuff up."

Phelan said police never asked her if there was alcohol in the house. There was a small amount of beer at the party -- for adults -- but it was kept in the kitchen. The teenagers couldn't get to it without walking past an adult, she said.

John King, assistant Montgomery police chief, said the alcohol enforcement officers had "some indicators" of underage drinking at the party. "But it turned out those indicators were wrong."

Ryan Hamm, 17, said he was tested as he walked from the house to his car. No alcohol was detected, he said.

"We were like making s'mores in the back and they had cake," he said. "It was just like people talking and a band playing, and it was fun."
 
There was a blues band, a moon bounce, a popcorn machine and a pit for making s'mores.
Give me a break kids today don't do this stuff.

It was obviously a cover for subversive militia meeting or maybe even a recruitment rally for domestic insurgents
 
All that changed about 9:30 p.m. Thursday, Adams said, when a Montgomery County police officer knocked on the Phelans' door, in the 4600 block of Rosedale Avenue in Bethesda, to say that someone had complained about the noise. The officer then asked Anna's mother, Kathy Phelan, if he and several other officers could give breath tests to the teenagers. She refused.

"When they get calls that there may be underage drinking, their response is to investigate it," said Lt. Eric Burnett, a police spokesman. "We're trying to prevent teen deaths."

Um nope. The officers apparently stated that they were called to the party because of complaint about the noise, not under age drinking.

He said it is standard procedure for alcohol enforcement officers to cordon off a block if they are denied access to a property where they suspect underage drinking is happening. He added that the parking infractions described in the letter "are tickets that you can actually receive. We can't just make this stuff up."

I don't doubt the tickets were for actual parkng infractions, but why would officers doing alcohol enforcement bother to right parking tickets? If they were investiigating under age drinking and had blocked off the street to administer breath tests, it would seem their time would have been better spent actually investigating the possible drinking. Plus, ticketing for parkng violations isn't going to do squat for their investigation.

"It almost seemed like they were angry that they didn't find anything," Kathy Phelan said.

Assuming the article is accurate, Phelan's comment sounds like it might just be right on the money. To me, it sounds like they were ticketing as a punitive action and one way or another, they were goiing to find some reason to give the party-goers some grief. I am guessing that the interpretation of the ticketng was punitive in some manner could be supported if handling parking citations was something the alcohol enforcement officers don't due as part of their normal duties and especially if previously that had not done such ticketing as part of other alcohol investigatons at other parties..
 
My big argument with this, is people expect the police to take the mom's word. Maybe I have just heard the words 'we'd rather have our kid and their friends drinking here, than somewhere else', that I just don't take the mom's words for the truth.

As for the cops, If I were them, and seen a moonwalk, I'd probably figure that there wasn't alcohol. If the tickets were legit, I'm not going to argue them. If I were their supervisor, I may have a talk with them though.
 
My concer with this is that this isn't the first time that Montgomery County has been accused of going into "HYPER SUPER DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION" traffic patrol when they're feeling testy about something.

There was a picture in the Post a couple years back of a cop on his hands and knees beside a car with a ruler measuring the distance from the curb.

IIRC one car was ticketed for being something like 1/2 inch too far away.
 
Do NOT "dis" Officer Friendly! If I were MCPD Chief, I would question the Gestapo tactics. I dare say that a RP cannot be produced for the noise complaint. No PC. The officers were denied access to private property and taxpayers stood their ground and just said no. The officers were idiots for stopping and intimidating teenagers into complying with unjustified breath testing. No PC. I fear the LEO attitude was one of revenge and pettiness. Citations as punitive action? Yes. Every single officer, supervisors and the shift commander should be dismissed, fired, disassembled and lose their state certificate.
 
Were the tickets legal? Sure.

Were the officers in this case petty douchebags? Sure.

Now, do you think this episode increased or decreased the respect for law enforcement among the kids and parents involved?
 
My big argument with this, is people expect the police to take the mom's word.
Dear God Almighty...what a sickening idea, taking a mother's word under most ordinary circumstances...

Are we truly THIS denatured???? Maybe I'll move back to Italy, it's beginning to look no different
 
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What Sir William said.

And had I been the "mom" I would have encouraged all - or as many as possible - of my guests to "stay the night" and kept those fools waiting at the ends of the street as late as possible.

I would also have had every media phone for miles around ringing off the hooks; "Must be something big going on in the 4600 block of Rosedale Avenue ... police cars all over the place! .... "
 
A Graduation Party

and no video cameras? Hard to believe.

I'd love to see some footage of Officer Obie and Deputy Fife accosting pedestrians and demanding they take breathalyzers, barricading the streets and ticketing cars parked in front of their owners' homes.

Giving badges to bullies just makes bigger bullies. :barf:
 
This has been in the news a fair amount around here. Apparently, what got the alcohol cops involved was a witness account (cop or citizen, dunno) that said the kids were drinking out of red cups, you know, the red disposable cups that just about everyone uses at parties and picnics.

My family had a picnic a couple weekends ago. My 21 month old daughter was taking sips from a red plastic cup.

The cops were idiots in this case and even normally pro-police radio commentators are calling them out as such.

Chris
 
And people look at me askance when I mention un-constitutional laws.

Compare this:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

to this:
He said it is standard procedure for alcohol enforcement officers to cordon off a block if they are denied access to a property

For me, this defines un-constitutional law. It's not even a microhop from there to random and forced saliva swabs. How on earth have we come this far?
Rich
 
Were those parking tickets REALLY necessary? I doubt it. Some cops seems to go out of their way to create an us vs. them environment with the general public.
 
That seems to be true in the DC metro area more often than not, Mute.

Note to self -- buy blue plastic disposable cups for the next Mike Irwin Gin Bash.
 
I don't hate cops. I've had many good experiences and some bad ones. I think they're good, overall. I also think they should be punished for stupid crap like this, and that they should be more vocal about stupid laws that they have to enforce.

What I hate are incidents like this that makes them all look petty, or worse.
 
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