Waco: a look back
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What bothered me most about Waco when it happened, and still bothers me now, is that it showed very, very clearly that we could no longer rely on our watchdog press.
If just one press helicopter had decided to get the story at all costs, had violated the no-fly area above the compound during the final hours of the siege, how different would the news have been? We'll never know.
If just one of the networks had decided to do their own research, instead of pasting together a pastiche of press releases and calling it news, how different would the news have been? We'll never know.
I don't know what happened at Waco. That bothers me. What's the use of having a free press, the watchdog of democracy, when the watchdog turns into a sleepy lap dog instead?
pax
If just one press helicopter had decided to get the story at all costs, had violated the no-fly area above the compound during the final hours of the siege, how different would the news have been? We'll never know.
If just one of the networks had decided to do their own research, instead of pasting together a pastiche of press releases and calling it news, how different would the news have been? We'll never know.
I don't know what happened at Waco. That bothers me. What's the use of having a free press, the watchdog of democracy, when the watchdog turns into a sleepy lap dog instead?
pax
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Glenn,
Sounds like _Why Waco?_ by James Tabor. http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/bio.html
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"Waco: The Rules of Engagement
If you see it for rent anywhere, it's well worth watching."
Hal,
It is indeed worth watching. It was an independently produced documentary, HBO just aired it in a shortened version to meet time constraints. See http://www.waco93.com/ .
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Glenn,
Sounds like _Why Waco?_ by James Tabor. http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/bio.html
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"Waco: The Rules of Engagement
If you see it for rent anywhere, it's well worth watching."
Hal,
It is indeed worth watching. It was an independently produced documentary, HBO just aired it in a shortened version to meet time constraints. See http://www.waco93.com/ .
lpl/nc
Glenn E. Meyer
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Learning Lessons from Waco: When the Parties Bring Their Gods to the Negotiation Table (Religion and Politics) by Jayne Seminare Docherty (Paperback - December 2001)
This is it, Lee. Found it on amazon.
This is it, Lee. Found it on amazon.
Ultima-Ratio
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Tough Memories-
So long ago, I recall the family listening to AM radio from Denver and reports of shotsfired into the church just before the fire.
It turns out that West Point grad Lon Horiouchi did some shooting from a sniper nest across the way.
Lon is living comfortably at quantico and suposedly chief sniper instructor.
So long ago, I recall the family listening to AM radio from Denver and reports of shotsfired into the church just before the fire.
It turns out that West Point grad Lon Horiouchi did some shooting from a sniper nest across the way.
Lon is living comfortably at quantico and suposedly chief sniper instructor.
Master Blaster
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Do you mean
The Hero of Ruby Ridge? He who shot a mother's jaw off while she held an infant in one arm and the door open for men under fire with the other? Wow - a regular Carlos Hathcock..........
"It turns out that West Point grad Lon Horiouchi did some shooting from a sniper nest across the way."
The Hero of Ruby Ridge? He who shot a mother's jaw off while she held an infant in one arm and the door open for men under fire with the other? Wow - a regular Carlos Hathcock..........
"It turns out that West Point grad Lon Horiouchi did some shooting from a sniper nest across the way."
What is different now, in my mind, from back then, is that I have more and more disgust for both the FBI and ATF. As the years pass they still have not admitted their fault in the killing of innocent and helpless children.
At some point they should both admit that they were wrong, admit that they made grievous mistakes and killed those babies for no reason, proclaim that they have learned from their mistakes, punish the evil actors among them that perpetrated the Waco mass murder atrocity, and move forward.
The longer it takes them to do that the more disgusted I get.
At some point they should both admit that they were wrong, admit that they made grievous mistakes and killed those babies for no reason, proclaim that they have learned from their mistakes, punish the evil actors among them that perpetrated the Waco mass murder atrocity, and move forward.
The longer it takes them to do that the more disgusted I get.
"What happened"? It is pretty obvious isn't it? A guy who thought he was Jesus, was about to take over the whole damn country. Of course our government needed to kill him, some kids around him, and snuff it out pronto! We can't have stuff like that going on, especially in Texas. The whole thing coulda got out of control. Besides, Janet Reno said there was child abuse going on!! We put a stop to that too!! Not one of those burned up kids were ever abused, not once, after our government stepped in!!! All in all, a very successfull operation.
BerettaCougar
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Redondo.
I hope youre being sarcastic.
I hope youre being sarcastic.
Reality check
"Wow, I didnt know you could hold hostages and then get the gummint blamed when as a direct result of your failure to surrender they die."
Wow, I didn't know that a "Hostage Rescue Team" that:
Refuses to negotiate;
Uses military weapons systems (tanks) against civilians on US soil;
Drives said tanks through structures the alleged "hostages" are in;
Deploys incendiary tear gas munitions in a structure known to have fuel lanterns in use;
Burns/suffocates the woman and children that are supposed to be rescued; and
Pours automatic weapons fire into the burning structure, pinning down anyone trying to escape the blaze the "rescuers" created;
qualifies as even remotely competent, never mind a "rescue" unit....
"Wow, I didnt know you could hold hostages and then get the gummint blamed when as a direct result of your failure to surrender they die."
Wow, I didn't know that a "Hostage Rescue Team" that:
Refuses to negotiate;
Uses military weapons systems (tanks) against civilians on US soil;
Drives said tanks through structures the alleged "hostages" are in;
Deploys incendiary tear gas munitions in a structure known to have fuel lanterns in use;
Burns/suffocates the woman and children that are supposed to be rescued; and
Pours automatic weapons fire into the burning structure, pinning down anyone trying to escape the blaze the "rescuers" created;
qualifies as even remotely competent, never mind a "rescue" unit....
Waco was a Federal version of the confrontation that Phildelphia had with
the MOVE group back in 1985. In that case, the liberal authorities, to show
how tough they were, used excessive force, they dropped a bomb on the house that MOVE was holed up in, ended up burning down the entire block. And of course they didn't apologize. Remember that a fundamental tenet of modern liberalism is that "the government can do no wrong".
the MOVE group back in 1985. In that case, the liberal authorities, to show
how tough they were, used excessive force, they dropped a bomb on the house that MOVE was holed up in, ended up burning down the entire block. And of course they didn't apologize. Remember that a fundamental tenet of modern liberalism is that "the government can do no wrong".
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Double Naught Spy
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Not to worry Number 6, the women and children did not suffocate or burn to death. They were shot. They were dead long before the fire got them.